Batman Begins


Anyone else think the plot of "The Testament of Dr. Mabuse" inspired the plot of "Batman Begins?" Think about it: supremely evil mystical entity (Mabuse, R'as Al Ghul), takes several forms, inspires a cult (using decoys) that strives to release a poisonous gas on the city. In this case, Bruce Wayne would take the Tom Kent role, having once been under the spell of R'as al Ghul, Commissioner Gordon--completely on the outside of the situation--would be Inspektor Lohmann, and the Dr.Crane/Scarecrow character is Professor Baum.

Anyone? Or is this the biggest stretch imaginable?

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definitely sounds like it to me. both are great films, but i kind of thought the same thing when i saw this film not too long ago.

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I mean come on, Dr. Mabuse and the The Dark Knight's version of The Joker are practically the same character with the same goals.

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They have similar goals.

But The Joker is only a threat because the filmmakers need him to be. He puts himself in so many situations that could easily turn out bad for him, it's ridiculous! Dress up as a policeman in a police parade to shoot Gordon? How can anyone escape such a situation unless the filmmakers decides he has to escape so the movie can go on? And that scene at the hospital with Harvey Dent, which easily could have ended with Dent blowing the Joker's head off. Uh, him getting the upper hand on a confrontation with a policeman twice his built (this of course was done off camera so Nolan doesn't have to explain it). The cell phone that triggers a bomb, all it'd take was a cop refusing to hand him a cell phone and instead shoot his kneecaps.

He's not the greatest villain of our time, lik some claim, he's just the luckiest.

You see where I'm driving at? Dr. Baum never put himself in such danger. He operated from the shadows, he assigned missions to others. He was on top of things, he never put himself in harm's way. And if he was caught it was because Lohmann was a great detective.

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The Mabuse character was influenced by Fantomas and Fu-Manchu, which were also influences for Ra's al Ghul. Those elements that appear in Batman Begins and the film Mabuse were already present in pulp fiction of the Fantomas era and later; so, it's hard to tell where the influence comes from, literature or cinema. Probably both. This kind of thing is like researching your family tree; just when you think you're at the source, you find something that came before.

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No. I think this movie inspired a lot of the original comics in the 50's USA. This is one of the few movies where there is an unreachable villain who controls a lot of henchmen. The villain seems to be aware that he is doing evil crimes.

This reminds me a lot for the concept of Joker.
Remember when someone is reading Mabuse's letter they say how they want to do a lot of crime to destabilize the society to create an Empire of Crime. One henchman is wondering why no money is ever taken. This is exactly like with the joker. He wants to destabilize society and create chaos.

RaShagul is not the same. He is more like about perfecting his self.

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Always thought Christopher Walken as Max Shreck in Batman Returns seemed like more of a Mabuse character, even though he was named after the actor who played Nosferatu.

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yes, I think you might be right. I just started a similar thread, before I saw that you beat me to it... sorry! Anyway, I keep thinking of the introduction of the Joker character in the original Frank Miller graphic novel from the 80's. Very similar.

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