Montana or Camonte


I like both this film and the '83 with Al Pacino as Tony Montana but I liked the Camonte character better because he was more coldblooded than Montana and made Montana seem like a wuss in comparsion

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I agree. Montana Just hired people to do his work for him. Camonte blew up that building, and so much else. He was one mean SOB.

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I watched a few clips of this on TV and I have the 1983 but they both seem like some mean b***ards!

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i think Montana is better as he never gave up at the end to the ones that were trying to kill him. I think it would of been better if Camonte came down the stairs shooting at the cops. It would of been slightly more spectacular instead of him surrendering to the cops. Both versions are class though.

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The original script had ending had Tony staying in the building, unaffected by tear gas and a multitude of bullets fired at him. It is not until the building is on fire that Tony is forced to exit the building, guns blazing, gunning down countless numbers of cops. He is sprayed with police gun fire as he exits but appears unfazed. Upon noticing the police officer who's been arresting him throughout the film, he fires at him, only to hear a single "click" noise implying that his gun is empty. He is then killed after being shot several times by said police officer. A repeated clicking noise is heard on the soundtrack implying that he was still attempting to fire while he was dying.

but the hays code messed everything up.

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Camonte's character just seemed more upbeat and positive to me. A little weird saying that, I know. But I can't help but like his character and his mannerisms. "Someday I look at that sign and say...Okay. She's mine." Haha, their's a certain "fun-ness" to his character.

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I think Pacino was a more likable character, but in a way that takes away the point of a gangster picture. Its not supposed to advocate crime, but rather condemn it.

Last film seen: Scarface, the Shame of the Nation 8/10

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As I said in another post, Al Pacino hasn't gone anywhere Paul Muni hasn't already been.

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I can't understand how Tony Camonte can be more badass than Tony...

He freaking gave up at the end, unlike Montana who wasn't going down without a fight. Also, he did things just as bad as Camonte, come on...

Blowing up buildings? Hmmmm....

I can understand why people think Camonte's character was "happy go lucky though"
XD He totally was! He was nothing like Montana!

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Both characters just lost everyone and everything around him, were lost, it was the first time in a long time he'd been alone.
However, the difference between the two, Montana was a shermhead (cokehead). He was high, his heart was racing, he had no fear. This made him more cowardly, imho, he needed a coping device to help him fend off the reality of his surroundings.
Camonte suffered the same, but was not on drugs nor was he drunk. He had no coping device. There was no self-medicating for him, he was faced with a reality that he had to face in reality. He, too, faced death, he knew if he ran they'd kill him.

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There was a reason why Camonte looked like that in the end. In those days they had to make the "bad guy" look like a cornered rat. Originally, someone posted on here, that Hawks was going to have Tony Camonte refuse to break in the end. But because of the tough censorship in those days, Hawks couldn't. He later regreted not using it.

The censors were such jerks that the final ending wasn't even good enough for them. They wanted Hawks to use an ending where Tony stands trial, is found guilty, and hung. They wanted all kinds of changes. Finally Hawks said the hell with you and sent the movie in the way it was. But what people don't know is, Hawks originally wasn't going to show Tony on his knees like that in the end.

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Camonte was more violent, violence-addicted, and deranged. Montana was calmer and more calculating.

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The DVD that I have of the 1932 film has the original ending of Tony running down the stairs in a rampage, getting shot and falling over a rail, after which we see the "The world is yours" sign, although it wasn't nearly as effective as the climax to the 1983 version. The ending where he gives up was put as an extra and introduced by some film historian (I think Leonard Maltin). Anyway, since this is the board of the 1932 Scarface, it's no surprise that most posters say they prefer Camonte to Montana. I, however, like the latter more. What mjr1114 wrote is true - the first Tony didn't need to intoxicate himself with substaces to get his courage - he was like a monster at times, which makes him way more stereotypical, exaggerated and less realistic than the second Tony which is why I prefer Pacino's character. Of couse the original Scarface is a fundamental and grounbreaking classic, but that doesn't necessarily make it better than many of its successors. I think the new Scarface holds up better today because it certainly has a grander and more swift sweep than the old one and the chracters, motivations, dilemmas, etc. are more fleshed out. Of course, most of that is due to the enomous advancement in technical qulaity in the 51 years that separate the two movies. Last, but not least, you can see tons of 30's gangster movies in the same tone and with the same atmosphere as Hawks' Scarface, yet very few, if any, have recaptured the twisted glory of De Palma's gory cult Scarface. What I basically mean is that that there are plenty of just as good or better movies than Hughes' Scarface from the marvelous Golden Age of Hollywood, but very few modern movies are as great as the 1983 Scarfce, which I consider to be modern cinema-wise, despite being filled with 80's fashion.

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I like both, but my favorite is Montana.

Prostitute: What the *beep* are you doing?
Johnny: I'm gonna kill a bunch of people.

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Performance, Montana. Character, Camonte.

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I would definitely prefer the original gangster the remake is nothing like the original.

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