An odd but charming film


if anyone wants to discuss this early Hitchcock film, I'd love to hear from you.

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I liked this movie quite a bit even though it was quite odd. I was not expecting a film from Hitchcock to be so comical (having not been exposed to Hitchcock comedy in the past) but was pleasantly surprised. I really enjoyed the bits with the annoying woman with the glasses and found the sinking ship sequence quite suspensful because I did not think the film was going to go in that direction. I've only watched it once so far (having just got it in a set for christmas) but I plan on watching it again very soon.

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Yes, whenever that woman was about to arrive on the scene, a kind of circus music plays. This film (and many of the '30s ones) show off his wicked sense of humour beautifully. We may have the same set.

Mine has :

Sabotage

Secret Agent

Blackmail

Jamaica Inn

The Man Who Knew Too Much (Leslie Banks version)

Murder!

The 39 Steps

Rich And Strange

Number Seventeen


and Sorcerer's Apprentice (an episode of Hitccock Presents...)

on four discs.
That wash the shound of a tool chesht falling down the shtairs.

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Mine has :

Sabotage

Secret Agent

Blackmail

Jamaica Inn

The Man Who Knew Too Much (Leslie Banks version)

Murder!

The 39 Steps

Rich And Strange

Number Seventeen

and Sorcerer's Apprentice (an episode of Hitccock Presents...)

on four discs.


Delete 39 Steps, Sorcerer's Apprentice, and Blackmail. Add The Lady Vanishes.


Love is never having to say you're sober.

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Speaking of sets, I'll show YOU what I got for $8 or so on 5 DVDs in China recently: DVD1 - (In the order they appear on the DVD = random) - 1) The Torn Curtain; 2) Dial 'M' For Murder; 3) Strangers On A Train; 4) Secret Agent; 5) Lifeboat; 6) The Skin Game; 7) Murder!; 8) The Paradine Case; 9) The Man Who Knew Too Much (original). DVD2 - 1) Marnie; 2) Foreign Correspondent; 3) Notorious; 4) Young & Innocent; 5) Rich & Strange; 6) The Birds; 7) The 39 Steps; 8) Suspicion; 9) Sabotagé. DVD3 - 1) Under Capricorn; 2) Rebecca; 3) To Catch A Thief; 4) Stage Fright; 5) Frenzy; 6) Family Plot; the next 8 are shows from the 'Alfred Hitchcock Presents...' television series: 7) Revenge; 8) Breakdown; 9) Wet Saturday; 10) Mr. Blanchard's Secret; 11) Poison; 12) The Perfect Crime; 13) Dip In The Pool; 14) One More Mile To Go; and 15) Mr. & Mrs. Smith. DVD4 - 1) The Lady Vanishes; 2) Rear Window; 3-10) the same AHP episodes as on DVD3; 11) The Lodger; 12) The Trouble With Harry; 13) Shadow Of A Doubt; 14) The Man Who Knew Too Much; 15) Jamaica Inn. And lastly, DVD5 - 1) I Confess; 2) Spellbound; 3) North By Northwest; 4) Topaz; 5) Rope; 6) Saboteur; 7) Psycho; 8) The Wrong Man; 9) Vertigo. So, that's 41 films and 8 television shows (2x) for about $8! And yes, the quality is amazing! Perhaps not Blu-Ray, but certainly well worth the expense. lol Why can't they make DVDs like that in the West? Because, 'Capitalism' dictates otherwise. 'Sad, But True!' FuturePrimitive666.

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beem3 having only seen Psycho and The Birds up until earlier this year when I rented most of the hitchcock movies on DVD I can only say that you never know what to expect from his movies. If you'd like to see another good hitchcock comedy checkout Mr & Mrs Smith with Carol Lombard. It's a classic screwball comedy.

Cheers

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Does anyone like Young and Innocent? I always find it a very sweet film.

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I love Young and Innocent. It's quite often overshadowed by the better-known British thrillers like 39 Steps and The Lady Vanishes, but I really like the humour and characterisation of the film and its general playfulness (the same goes for Rich and Strange which I'd read very bad reviews for but found really enjoyable).

One of the other overshadowed early films, although much darker, is Sabotage. In some respects, Hitch really never again goes as dark as he does there.

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I know what you mean about Sabotage, the suspense is hardly bearable and I kept thinking that everything would be OK in the end but it isn't and you can't quite believe it...

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I agree about Sabotage, the suspense is absolutely gripping. My favourite scene is where the Oskar Homolka realises hid wife "knows" and she has the knife at the dining table, typical Hitchcock theme on the question of domestic murder.

Of course Sabotage is also famous because Hitch said he once made a mistake in one of his films by allowing a bomb on a bus to explode and that he should never have allowed that to happen because it broke the suspense.

Anyways, just seen Rich and Strange and found it in many ways to be a very modern comedy romp. Obviously pace and dialog are of it's time, but the theme and general adventurous charm of the film would still work today.

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Hitch was intensely drawn to black comedy; unfortunately few people had a taste for it or even recognized it as such back in those days. No wonder it did such poor box office.

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I just finished watching it. It was the first time I ever picked up one of those cheap dvds from the pharmacy/conviniant store kinds things.
I thought it was quite good. Some parts were more boring but the end carried it out.
I laughed forever at the cat part. Priceless.

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This (Rich & Strange) was alright, but as far as the "early" films of Hitch goes, I liked The Lady Vanishes, Sabotage, 39 Steps, Man Who Knew Too Much.
The other films contain some small glimpse into the genus that would become Hitchcock, and because of that they are noteworthy, but after sitting thru 13 of these films over a weekend's time, I'm not too sure when I'll watch em again! Lol!
But these movies are GREAT on a dark rainy afternoon... :o)

Trust me,
Swan

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You LAUGHED at the cat part? Did we see the same film?

This clunky old thing is fascinating. OK, it has many faults, which I won't list here. But damn, there are also many, um, strange bits, hahaha. Every now and then, 3 seconds of something is thrown in that makes one scratch their heads. ie The lifeboat during a conversation between wife and lover. The 3-somes walking and nodding. A view of a beach during a conversation between husband and wife. WTF? Why do they all stare as that guy drowns? (I get the symbolism, I think.) Anyway, this film fascinates. In an odd way. It's almost Lynchian.

Yes, I agree with the person who said Young And Innocent is great. It's the most overlooked/underrated Hitchcock film imho. But then, Rich And Strange may be too. :)

Darren Skuja

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OK, it has many faults, which I won't list here

Among them, the worst, most incompetent score of any Hitchcock film.

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I have just finished watching the Rich & Strange and even though I have great trouble understanding the audio dialouge i still found this film far different than anything I`ve ever seen.I am very glad that I watched this late at 2AMCST.on a local PBS Chicago television station.I really enjoyed it,could really relate to it and felt for the couple.It`s just so far different than anything I`ve ever seen I wonder why it`s not so better remembered?

"Do not let thorns in your side become nails in your coffin".-Bruce Richard Bundy 10/2006

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Hitchcock's work here is inventive and lively but clunky. It's odd because Blackmail, which is a couple of years older, is much more successful. In that film, almost all of his tricks come off splendidly. But here the odd angles, strange editing and retrograde title cards generally flop.

I don't know what other posters mean by saying that it's unusual to see Hitchcock be funny. Most of his films are extremely witty. Only Vertigo is essentially humorless, and even that film has its moments.

Rich and Strange -- unlike, say, Juno and the Paycock -- is a must-see for Hitchcock fans. And it's fairly enjoyable. But it's not very good.

...Om

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For fans of Hitchcock, this is flawed but necessary viewing.

It shows a few hints of the style that Hitchcock would refine later to great effect, even if the plot and acting are a bit lacking. But we can't apply today's sensibilities to a '30s films. This is an interesting curio, and Hitchcock could have done much worse for an early film.

I'm solidly with the majority here: 6 stars out of 10.

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The film gets better as it goes on - the first twenty minutes has the detached, visual style of a silent film, but becomes genuinely involving as the human interest develops. It's just frustrating that the sound quality is so bad.

My Early Hitchcock DVD edition has this short intro by a French film critic, Noel Simsolo, who says the the film is widely considered as one of the jewels of Hitchcock's English films. He says the major theme of the movie is that the couple are childless!

Children are Hitchcock's great theme. I'm one of those that think Rich And Strange is about a couple inventing secrets during their trip because they don't have any children. They are empty, they are sterile. A Catholic idea, you may think, but for me it's deeper than Hitchcock's Catholicism, which was not really that conventional. Hitchcock truly thought that a couple could only last because there was somebody else who forced them to last.


Apparently, Hitchcock wasn't that fond of Joan Barry, but that he became a long-time friend of Elsie Randolph, who played the spinster.

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That's an interesting take on how Hitchcock's theological views shaped this film, at least in the view of the French critic. This film does appear to be a commentary or satire on a couple pursuing the "best" life has to offer while coming up empty in the end.

And yes, the sound quality is horrible. I imagine that because this is in the public domain, most versions out there are copies of copies of copies. I could have used some perspective on my VHS like the introduction you had on the DVD, just to provide some context for this film. The description on the box was extremely misleading and didn't describe this film at all.

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Frankly, I would never have guessed that children were Hitchcock's 'great theme', either (albeit more by their absence, than their presence). That said, Hitchcock's only child, his daughter, Patricia, was born in 1928, so the importance of children and family may well have become a guiding principle for him.

I also note that right at the end of the film, Fred wonders whether the hallway of their building is wide enough for a pram....

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That's a good point about the pram. I had forgotten that reference. It does seem like the couple in this film are going through an extended adolescence themselves, perhaps their last big blowout before they settle down and raise a family.

I probably shouldn't read too much into the characters' actions, Hitchcock's beliefs or the film scholar's theories, but it does help to have some context for this film because it seems rather random otherwise. As an early effort, it's very good. Hitchcock's later efforts would be extraordinary - and the characters' motives were generally very clear in those thrillers.

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I agree that it can be misleading trying to interpret a film simply through the prism of one person, however significant. Simsolo says of Dale Collins, the supposed author of the novel, that little is known about him and openly suggests that he didn't exist and that Hitchcock and his wife were entirely responsible for the screenplay. But the wonders of the Internet seem to confirm that Collins was more than just a charade: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0172246/.

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Interesting! Thanks for the link. It's hard to imagine this being based on a novel, but I'm sure Hitchcock applied his own touches to the source material, even for this early film. Mr. Collins seemed to specialize in seafaring romances, particularly with "Shanghai" in the title.

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Apparently it's actually an extremely close adaptation of the Collins novel - Charles Barr suggests that Collins and Hitchcock might have collaborated on the ideas in the late 1920s (which would explain the fact that the majority of the picture is actually structured as a silent movie, with dialogue almost irrelevant) and that for some reason Hitchcock's filming was delayed until after Collins' 'novelisation' had been written and published. But, as Barr comments, if so it is strange that there is no confirming evidence whatsoever.

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