The ending


I feel awfully stupid right now after finished watching this movie. It was great and Joan was great, but I didn't get it. I felt the movie was contradicting, and pluss I didnt get the end what so ever. Why did Davidson kill himself, and why did Sadie change like that overnight?
Could someone be so nice and explain this to me?

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That's the point. That's the mystery. We never know what REALLY happened.

There's many theories on the ending. One neat theory is that Sadie was faking religion the whole time, scheming to get Davidson to the point where the feeling of power and absolute control over another human being would drive him to take advantage of her, just so she could put him in his place and show him that even HE has sin in his heart and shouldn't judge her. The fact that she seemed so surprised he killed himself suggests that she never intended for him to die, merely to show him the error and hypocrasy of his ways. It would explain her change and also explain why Davidson's wife seemed to know what Davidson did and his intended suicide and wasn't shocked by his death.

Another is that Davidson had a hold over Sadie and when he raped her, he felt so guilty he killed himself and the hold he had over her suddenly vanished, and she didn't remember any of the time she was under his control.

And yet another suggests that Sadie killed Davidson herself. After all, who would logically cut their own throat FIRST and then jump into the ocean. Wouldn't it make more sense to just drown yourself? Sadie was so traumatized over what happened that she blocks it all out. However, this wouldn't fit in some ways.

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No need to feel stupid! I just finished watching it, and when it ended, I said to my husband, "Well, you're just going to have to explain that one to me." He said that his interpretation was that Davidson had sex with Sadie and then killed himself over it. But during Joan's last scene, I suspected that maybe she had been playing Davidson all along and might have even killed him herself. But, as was already mentioned, that poses additional problems.

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I haven't seen the movie, but in the Maugham story, it's implied that he rapes her, then kills himself out of guilt. After seeing the hypocrisy, Sadie just goes back to her old ways because as she says, men are all the same.

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I was watching this on TCM last night, the latter part of the movie, now I wanna watch the whole thing. Since it was dark out and the scenes were too, I couldn't tell what was going on, they were talking, he was saying to her how radiant and beautiful she was, I thought he was giving in to temptation, and then when he kills himself and she hears the news, the way she is all dressed up and her demeanor makes me wonder if he did do something to her, rape or not.

I hope TCM plays this again!

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Davidson gave me the creeps. I never trusted him. I am a born again Christian. The way Davidson treated Sadie was more evil than he said she was. He should have known better. Jesus said that it was very important to treat othert people with love. He and his wife was way to judgemental.

Davidson raped Sadie, or maybe just seduced her, in my humble opinion. Because of it, Sadie felt shame. In addition, Sadie went back to her old ways for self protection. After all, if she could not trust a "man of God" who could she trust?

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^^(spoilers)
Yeah, a man so against immorality and sin and then he goes and rapes a woman!
After watching the version with Rita Hayworth where Jose Ferrer clearly does rape Sadie near the end, I think it happened in this one too.

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I do detest that sort of holier-than-thou attitude and really really dislike Mr Davidson for his patronizing, morally superior and biased (at times to the point of social discrimination) character. Sorry to sound harsh and maybe sadistic, but I am glad that he died at the end.

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I just watched it the other day. This guy, and his wife, makes me irate. I hate the wife's attitude towards Sadie. "Young Woman! Young Woman! There are six other days you may dance, if you MUST dance." And, then she lies about Sadie on top of it.

What makes me really upset is that I'm a Christian and that there really are people who call themselves Christian who are this hateful in real life. Jesus was all about love and forgiveness. People like these two who act so hateful towards people do not have a clue.

Some people think that going to church or being born in a "Christian" home make them a Christian, and that is not true. To be a Christian, somebody must make an individual decision to follow Christ and that changes you from the inside out.

In my humble opinion, it is not possible for a genuine Christian to be such a hateful person. And if a genuine Christian IS hateful, they are totally wrong and need to change.

I'll get off my soapbox now.

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AMEN! X-Evolutionist....I am a Born Again Christian too, and whenever
I watch this film, my hackles go up!

What a gross mis-representation of what it really is to be "Christ-like."

Although this is just a movie, and all of the actors did a wonderful
job portraying their character, especially Joan crawford, I can't help but agree with you that there are
soooooooooo many fake Christians!

Granted, it is not easy being a Christian, it is a lifestyle that you
have to struggle with every day just to be victorious.

It may not be the easiest, but it sure is the best and the most satisfying
way to live. Jesus reached out to every one in love and understanding.

Not only was He the one and only truly Living Son of God;
but he was also the Master Teacher!

He taught us to accept people just the way they are, and that we were to
live a Christ-like example before them, to help them....NOT JUDGE THEM!
God the Father is the only judge!

The bible teaches us not to be so quick to try and remove the small splinter
from someone elses eye; when we have a WHOLE BEAM OF WOOD in our own.

Meaning none of us is perfect. We each have our own sins to acknowledge and
ask God for forgiveness...therefore, we do not have time to ridicule someone
elses for theirs.....that task of judgement is left for
God The father, God The Son and God The Holy Spirit!

"OOO...I'M GON' TELL MAMA!"

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Amen to everything you just said! It was refreshing to hear your point of view. Thank you for sharing it.

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Made me a Walter Huston fan for life. Best ever actor!

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I love him in the Treasure of the Sierra Madre.

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I read the Somerset Maugham short story (it's not really a novel) many years ago, and the implication at the end of it is that Davidson tried to molest Sadie Thompson--after all of his hypocritical moralizing. At the end, Sadie ends up making some comment, such as Joan Crawford does in the film, that "all men are pigs."

As a side-bar to this, I would like to add that I find the Joan Crawford of the early 1930's a much more seductive actress than she became in her "golden years" of the 1940' and early 50's. (She is especially appealing in "Grand Hotel.") However, I have always found the later "classic" Crawford just plain scary.

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If you watch the scenes just before Davidson turns around and heads back to Sadie's room, you will see him working himself into a lather. ( Even the jungle rhythms overcome him. ) Whether he actually rapes her, or simply makes an attempt at seduction, really doesn't matter all that much. The holy veil of piety comes down, and the result is Sadie's total disillutionment. This explains the transformation that follows. It also accounts for her surprise at his subsequent death. IMO, in no way was she leading him on.

The question that intrigues me is; would Sadie's conversion have gone on to it's conclusion if Davidson hadn't proved to be corrupt? I'd like to think that it wouldn't, but I fear that it would. Men like Davidson - and his wife - are evil, and it appears that Maugham felt this way too.

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> The holy veil of piety comes down, and the result is Sadie's total disillusionment.

Yes, that was the case in original novel where Sadie is more suppressed and intimidated then fascinated (and more shallow as well).

But this inadvertently genious movie depicts transformation into a die-hard religious zealot glorying in one's newly acqiured strengh and power of God's elect... I just can't believe that in this case several hours of aftershock is enough for deprogramming and restoration of her previous self as cultologists would say.

So I vote for the theory of a practical joke gone too far.

BTW how can you explain her doubt in validity of O'Hara's proposal in the end? My explanation is: she assumed that her romantic suitor is probably disgusted by ability to play jokes that cynic.

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Also, did anyone notice the (change of) expression in his eyes just before he turns to enter Sadie's room while the native drums were beating...it's like he becomes a different person altogether...sort of a brief Jekyll to Hyde transformation for a moment there...it gave me the creeps...

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I do think Davidson was overcome with lust towards the end, but I don't think he raped her. Her reaction in the morning was not traumatic as if she was just raped. But I do think he may have tried to or was attempting to seduce her. And with his soul tainted, he killed himself.

But I did briefly think she may have killed him because of the threats she made to him.If so she was just acting when she heard the news.( And if he did rape her, I hope she did kill him.) But she would have had to clean up blood, tossed him into the river. . .

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Just watched this for the first time last night, having dvr'd it last week off of TCM, and what a revelation!

Anyway, part of what I loved about the film is the ending, and the somewhat open interpretations available.

Did Sadie kill Davidson? She had a motive and opportunity, but two things argue against it. One is concededly problematic, and that is that the swift conclusion reached that Davidson killed himself may have been in error. But this is a "real life" objection. The filmmakers (and the Maugham story?) tell us he did kill himself. Why that conclusion was reached is not a plot hole. It is merely not shown or told. So I think that conclusion should be given deference.

The second reason referred to by others and noted by me when viewing the film is Sadie's surprise on hearing of his death, and even appearing to expect she would continue to San Francisco as he wanted. But what if she were merely acting surprised? In fact another alternative explanation is that she was acting as a convert when she really was not.

So I do not think this second reason is persuasive enough to disprove Sadie's possibly being a killer. But I do think the first reason added to the second is enough to leave me concluding she did not do it. She would in any event have had difficulty moving his body out to the water, and would not have been able to lead him out there and kill him off like the pier or something. She was in fact much smaller than him. No, she did not kill him despite having motive.

This leaves the two alternatives that she was playing him all along, pretending to be a convert, or really was a convert. In both cases I think at least a sexual advance by Davidson occurred, which triggered his self revulsion and resulting suicide. Having seen the film only once, how closely did I look at Crawford's protrayal of her interactions with Davidson leading up to her apparent breaking down and converting?

Perhaps my own beliefs come into play here. As a Christian myself I know full well that Christianity is very much based on the belief that one cannot be forced to become a believer, so there is that. Objectively Davidson in fact was doing things that amounted to forcing Sadie to at least consider becoming a convert, even if only to "accept" going to jail as her penance. But Davidson himself was so far gone into unreality that he may not have perceived that the force he was using was inconsistent with Christian theology.

And how about Sadie? I think the film at least plays with the notion that Sadie may have gone beyond any objections to Davidson and his methods, and may have seen a path to accepting the penance of going to jail.

But... in the end I find it more persuasive, which is really subversive, that Sadie's perception that all men have a sexual appetite (all men are dogs), and even Davidson would find someone who looked and acted like Joan Crawford in 1932 at some point irresistable.

The point that I concede could be played both ways is where Sadie plays up her fear of not being able to rely on Davidson, which she strongly implies to him means she will "miss" his physical presence. She implies she is already blissful in his presence, which becomes the basis for his perception that she might be available sexually to him. Yes, it is somewhat masked as bliss based on religious faith. But in the end a woman as sexually knowledgeable as Sadie could simply not be unaware that her actions and statements would be sexually appealing, even to a man like Davidson.

So, I think in effect Sadie was acting all along. Did this mean she intended his death? No. And I therefore think despite the acting before that she was in fact genuinely surprised when she heard he had killed himself. I think this is also supported by her somewhat confused behavior after hearing the news, indicating she was getting her bearings after having to cogitate about the news.

This would seem to leave the question whether she had been raped or merely been subjected to a sexual advance. It may not matter all that much, but Davidson would have been more likely to have killed himself if he had raped her, and once a sexual advance had been made, and if Sadie had planned on leading him on, she really had a motive to "let" him rape her.

No need to get into the legal issues of consent and all that here, but I am aware of them.

So I think Sadie pretended to be converted, led Davidson on, a sexual advance and probably intercourse occurred, Davidson afterwards was revolted by his own behavior and killed himself.

The only remaining issue is why had Sadie reverted to her regular self before hearing that Davidson had killed himself, if she had not known about it. Hm. I guess once he had sex with her she may have taunted him for his hypocracy to egg him on, which certainly would have been in keeping with her personality. At that point it served no purpose to continue playing the convert. Even if he did not kill himself she could bank on him finally recognizing he was really being heavy handed and unfair.

So I don't think that leaves any remaining issues. Great ending. And it really is subversive, although to my mind today, even as a Christian, I don't think Sadie deserves moral condemnation for what she did. She in fact was a victim who fought back as best she could. But despite that, i am sure this is the kind of film that led to adoption of the Code in 1934. What a revelation.

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I think a lot of it is left up to interpretation and that there is some time compression going on. The action is supposed to happen within a few days. I think the only reason Sadie is "programmed" so quickly is because all of her allies are cowed or locked up, and she's left alone against a man who has unlimited political power in the "islands." It's unclear whether she starts going along with his indoctrination out of desperation to see if she can wriggle out of it somehow, or if she is truly brainwashed, but either way, a few days are not enough to change a person completely, so it makes sense she'd snap back pretty quickly. What's important is not so much the details as the stark reality that she is isolated and without escape.

As far as what happens between them, again, it's left open to interpretation. Maybe he rapes her. Maybe he just comes on to her really hard. Either would be enough to snap her out of it. Maybe she even mocked him afterward, driving him back out into the rain and to his fate. We only see the result. She's left disillusioned and he kills himself.

As far as why he kills himself, I think Davidson's entire self-image is based on his pride and sense of moral superiority. He gets drunk off the absolute power he has over her, which is why I think what breaks the spell for *him* is her mocking him once she realizes he's just a man like everyone else. He oversteps and loses his control over her.

In story terms, I think he's doomed as soon as she tells him she's innocent of the charge back in Frisco and he tells her it makes no difference. No true Christian would suggest, let alone expect, that an innocent woman go back to a punishment she didn't deserve. It shows what a creepy hypocrite he is, especially when he was previously banging on and on about her "profession". That's why he deserves his fate.

Mrs. Davidson's reaction at the end is weird. Makes me wonder if this was the first time Davidson targeted, broke down, and took advantage of "fallen" woman, or if this was a pattern with him. He obviously had a pretty dark side.

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Mrs. Davidson's reaction at the end is weird. Makes me wonder if this was the first time Davidson targeted, broke down, and took advantage of "fallen" woman, or if this was a pattern with him.
Agree, thesnowleopard.
I think Mrs. Davidson's reaction at the end is the key: Mrs. Davidson pretty much acknowledges that this is not the first time that Davidson has brain washed a vulnerable woman & then assaulted her. Seems that Mrs. Davidson is an enabler of Davidson's cult leader modus operandi to take control of vulnerable young women by brainwashing them, then taking sexual advantage of them.

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