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how is this a satire? (and other marx bros movies for that matter)


Granted, I am pretty dense when it comes interpreting and criticizing movies, but I don't really get how this film is a parody/satire. I didn't really pick up any sort of "message" from this film. I just thought it was 68 minutes of wacky goofy mindless hilarity, which is how I feel about their other movies (i've only seen duck soup and a night at the opera). I've also heard these films as satires, is that true? Again, I didn't really get that. Marx bros movies seem to me to just be brainless, shallow, nonsensical comedy. Am i missing something?

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Maybe, maybe not. It could be argued that, of all the movies they made, "Duck Soup" is the truest satire, since it pokes fun at war and jingoistic nationalism and the very attitudes that started WWI and, six years after "Duck Soup's" release, WWII. The mindsets of Rufus T. Firefly and his flagwaving public (as well as his opponents from the rival nation) are not, at their core, so very different from the real world people and political leaders that, even today, rush headlong into senseless wars that end up costing billions and trillions of dollars, to say nothing of the immeasureable loss of human lives and human resources and commodities.

The "satire" in most of the Marx Brothers' other movies is in how they lampoon the conventions, fads and events of the real world that were contemporary with the times of their films' releases. Margaret DuMont, for instance, is ever the "grand society dame" Groucho flirts with in some half dozen Marx Brothers movies; what is it BUT satire when she endures, seemingly obliviously, his constant barrage of wisecracks and asides that ridicule the "pomp and circumstance" of the "blue-bloods," the "jet-setters" and the "priviledged class?"

But again, you are not far off in how you've sized it up. It IS a lot of silliness and nonsense. But it's satire, too. If the Marx Brothers knew one thing, it was to keep their audience laughing; satire is fine, and Groucho and company will indulge in THAT, too, but NOT at the expense of the laughs they can milk out of, say, Harpo's endless supply of scizzors, hammers, and other hardware that he'll pull out of his coat for any situation Harpo will deem fit to apply those tools!

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Hey vinidici! You replied to my thread on the Charlie Chaplin board remember? hahaha.

Anyway, I can see what you mean. I guess I can't appreciate the satire as much because I don't really know what society was like back then. I guess it must have been more obvious to audiences of that time. Satire or not, the Marx bros are brilliant and I have seen several more of their films since creating this thread, and I can attest to their brilliance.

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It's always nice to encounter new aficiandos and posters like you who "discover for the first time" the great comic masters like Chaplin, the Marx Brothers, et al. Hope your current immersion in their films keeps you in stitches for many days to come!

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Yeah, I've been trying to watch some of the most iconic/influential American films of all time. And I've been doing it genre by genre. I was working on film noir, then went into crime, gangster, western, musical, and then just got into comedy. I've already gone through Billy Wilder, Mel Brooks, Monty Python and Terry Gilliam (I know they're British but I just felt like it anyway), and the Road To movies, as well as the Marx bros and Charlie Chaplin as you already know. I've got Laurel and Hardy, Buster Keaton, Harold Lloyd, The Three Stooges, Abbott and Costello, and Jerry Lewis next on my comedy journey. Anybody else you can suggest to put on my list?

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Bob Hope (check IMDb for his better movies, not all of them were that good but a handful or two of them are "keepers")

The Bob Hope / Bing Crosby "Road" movies

Jack Benny in "To Be or Not to Be" (1942) and his vintage radio and TV work ("The Jack Benny Program")

George Burns and Gracie Allen (movies, radio and TV)

Red Skelton (again, movie-radio-TV)

Danny Kaye

Dick Van Dyke (who was good friends with Stan Laurel, in the latter's old age, and even made a film called "The Comic," a comedy-drama about the life of a fictional silent film era comedian) (Gotta see "The Dick Van Dyke Show," too! One of my all time favorites!)

Lucille Ball in nearly everything!

The Carol Burnett Show (AKA "Carol Burnett & Friends)

Jackie Gleason in movies and in TV's "The Honeymooners"



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Nice! I've already seen a couple of Road To movies, I like the humor but I didn't really enjoy them as much as I'd hoped. I actually used to watch the Dick Van Dyke show and I Love Lucy on Nick at Nite when I was little. A lotta great memories there. I've heard a lot about the others, I guess I'll have to move them up on the list.


Thanks again again vinidici.

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In this movie, the satire, which remains almost disturbingly current, is about college football and the lengths the heads of the colleges would go through to get decent players, putting it above the education they are supposed to provide. Duck Soup is about war and politics, with Grouchy as a greedy and immoral man put in charge of a country due to Dumont taking a shine to him. It wasn't as satirical in the MGM movies, at least not as overtly, but it was there. They parody then-current culture, hide dirty jokes where ever they could and attack every single character that might resemble an authority-figure.

Anyway, the most frequent target of the Marx Brothers' satire was the very idea of plot. A plot is presented, which the brothers procede to completely ignore, in favour of horsing around for 60 to 90 minutes. Sometimes someone pushes it along, in an attempt to get the movie back on track, but the Marx Brothers don't mind, they just don't care. Their movies don't end, they just sort of cut off, whenever the little plot left begins to peter out. They completely ignore the fourth wall and if they aren't harrasing a character with no relation to the plot, they are talking in circles with each other and everybody who might pass through their field of vision.

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I think if you really want a comedy team that did satire in the 1930s Wheeler and Woolsey were more overtly satirical. Their movies had attacks on the US military (Half Shot at Sunrise), the prison system as a metaphor for higher education (Hold Em Jail), divorce lawyers (Peach-O-Reno), political satire (Diplomaniacs), foreign revolutions (Cracked Nuts), America's love affair with the Old West (Girl Crazy), African documentaries (So This is Africa), and Restoration era comedy (Cockeyed Cavaliers).

Horse Feathers does introduce some satirical ideas of colleges paying off athletes and the idea of sports being more important than education, but aside from a couple of scenes it doesn't really do much with it. The movie is hilarious either way, but I can see how someone might want more in the way of biting satire.

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