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Who would want her...Spolers


She was having sex with everyone you have to wonder if she was enjoying it or was she being pimped, i say a little of both and i don't see her changing at all.

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She was obviously being pimped up until the point she met Roberts. Note that Sangrito attempted to give her Roberts check and tells her that she can have some of the profits this time.

This is obviously a scam they have been running for a while.

However, she seems to have really fallen in love with Roberts because she asked her husband for a divorce and refused to take the check. My guess is he has been using her as blackmail bait for some time.

Darling, I am trouble of the most spectacular kind!

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I get your point, But as you say they have been doing this [she sleeping wit men]for a long time. The guys start really piling up at some point. I think most but not all women who does this kind of work to be damaged goods as the sex acts pile up. Also there has to be a LOT more to her husband and their relationship.

Some of these men may have beat or performed deviant acts on her....That was basically what I was talking about.


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lamont-harden says > She was having sex with everyone you have to wonder if she was enjoying it or was she being pimped, i say a little of both and i don't see her changing at all.
Well, that's one way to look at it but it's not the only way.

First, she was a very beautiful and/or desirable woman. Whether you agree or not that is the premise of the movie. All the men wanted her, old, young, and everything in between.

Second, why didn't you say the same thing for Roberts? Who would want him? She clearly does. She still loves and wants him and is willing to protect him from scandal. There are many reasons one could ask the same question about him. He was an older guy. He proclaimed his love for her but basically turned his back on her more than once. It's understandable why he would do that. She's married and can't get away from her husband but the final blow was pretty much out of the blue. He just ceased to contact her.

Also, the guys made no secret of their interest in women and the fact they had all had their share of random encounters too. McNellis' situation wasn't foreign to the other two guys but they had 'changed' their ways because they had fallen in love with Alva. Prior to that they were accustomed to using women then stringing them along until they'd gotten all they could from them.

In fact, the other two were a lot better at it than bumbling McNellis. They knew how to handle their women; so much so Nichols, if you recall, helped McNellis, on more than one occasion, extricate himself from a sticky situation. I had to mention the men because you seem to be operating on a double standard. That's not exactly right.

That said, I will agree. Based on the scenario you described, who would want her? She would have been used good. What you seem to have overlooked is the possibility she wasn't really having sex with all the men she had helped her husband set up and scam. All it took was the appearance of impropriety for there to be a scandal. She didn't actually have to do anything.

She went out with them, was seen in public with them, and spent time with them alone in their rooms. Even an innocent guy would fall prey to that scam. The guy would know nothing happened but fearing a scandal that would cost him his reputation, his job, his social standing, etc. he'd pay Sangrito then quickly move on feeling lucky to have gotten away fairly unscathed.

It's possible Roberts was the only guy Alva actually had an intimate relationship with because she fell in love with him. I say that because, even though she was in on the scam, she seemed genuinely surprised when her husband was talking to them. She was also hesitant to reveal details of what they'd done though he seemed to know. There's nothing that indicates she had sex with the other men before Roberts. In fact, it's made clear that she had met Nichols before she knew Roberts but, even though he was ga-ga over her, she hadn't had sex with him.

She was the woman all the men wanted but she would have lost that power over them if she was sleeping with them the way you seem to think. She was surely leading them on but just when they were at the point they thought they were going to get what they wanted she and her husband lowered the boom. Roberts actually wanted her, even after paying Sangrito off. Perhaps no one had ever cared so much for her.

It's clear after she fell in love with him she changed her ways. She even stopped submitting to her own husband. That's what brought out the anger and subsequent attack that led to his death. She seems to have moved on to the Marquis, Henri, out of necessity. She had been accused of Sangrito's murder and Roberts had left her. The Marquis was there at the right time. Perhaps she even knew being with the Marquis she might eventually find her way back to Roberts.

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Thanks for correcting me. Great summery.

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