Those kids!


Perhaps it's my hearing that's starting to deteriorate, but that scene where the policeman's wife was giving Sir John a cup of tea in bed and all her kids were shrieking ruined it for me. I could barely make out a word of the dialogue over the sound of that howling baby.
Subtitles would have come in handy.
Can anyone tell me the gist of what I missed?
Please?

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Kids? Policeman's wife? Tea? There was only one child in the film, and she is the Markham's daughter playing piano during one scene. Sir John was not in that scene. He did have tea or coffee made for him in his home by his assistant. The Markham's were considering some things that Sir John had told them, and about sending their daughter away. They couldn't even remember the poor lass' name! lol Sir John while receiving his drink was simply contemplating on who he should talk to, about determining Miss Baring's innocence. Does that help any? FuturePrimitive666.

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Either you've got a different version or you must have fallen asleep.

Markham arranges for Sir John to spend the night at the policeman's house so that he can get information.
The policeman's wife comes in the next morning with a cup of tea in one hand and a crying baby in the other. Four more kids then come in, one of them holding a kitten.
The kids are all over the bed and one of them allows the kitten to crawl under the bed clothes. The girl - I think her name was Edie says "He's got my pussy!"

I've just watched the film again - after reading your response - in case I had it confused with something else. The scene is definately there.



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I guess that I do have a different version, because I have gone back and forth on the DVD looking for children, and the only one I find is the girl playing the piano at the Markham's home. My DVD's length is 92:17, or 92 minutes and 17 seconds. If it's true that they mention cats in such a way then possibly that scene was cut out, I am not certain. I am an American teaching English in China, by the way, and I bought the DVD here. Can I ask YOU to check the length of your version, and could YOU possibly let me know exactly where that scene should be? Thank YOU, kindly! FuturePrimitive666.

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Just checked. Mine runs for 104 minutes. The scene in question comes in at approx 67 minutes.
Sir John and the Markhams had investigated the dressing room with a broken wash basin just before that.

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I saw the movie last night and I'm none the wiser as to what was going on in that scene with all the kids, all I could think of was give those brats a clip around the ear, lol! :D

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Yes, at 61:48 in my version, Sir John turns after inspecting the wash basin to talk with Markham and the custodian, but I can see that shot with all 3 together only for a brief moment, as then a shot of the prison where Diana Baring is incarcerated in is spliced in. This leads to a letter from the warden and Sir John's visit of Ms. Baring. So whoever, deemed those dag-blasted kids so much of a nuisance that their part in the film was deleted! lol So, I am afraid that I can't help YOU. By the way, at about 67:00 in, I have the scene with Baring about to admit that Fane is a 'Half-Caste'. Take care! FuturePrimitive666.

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My version is on VHS and includes this scene, and I must say I have the very same problem with the dialogue! Between that baby and also since the woman occasionally speaks kind of quickly, I can not make out a word of it. It seems though from Sir John's reaction that he obtains a bit of a clue to the case from her when she is talking to him while standing on the right side of the bed.

As to why the scene might have been deleted, it was maybe because the dialogue was rough to hear, or even possibly a heavy-handed modern editor deemed the "You've got my pussy" line uttered from a little girl to be distracting given the way the word is frequently used today. Having grown up in this world, I find it slightly unfortunate to see innocent notions of the past taking on scandalous unintended meanings. We've lost our innocence! lol

All that being said, that part of the scene was cute with Sir John talking to the woman while absent-mindedly taking the kitty when the child handed it to him and then the shot of the kitty moving under the blankets and all. It was fun seeing dignified Sir John in such commotion!

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There was a line in this scene where the mother says something like "if you don't stop doing that I will have your father take you to the police station and have you locked up." If you have read any of Hitchcock's biographical material, his father had the police lock him in a cell so that he would know what happens when you play up. This incident apparently led to Hitch's aversion to police and the repeated themes in his movies of the innocent incarcerated or pursued by police.

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I agree with your point, I'll add another. When the main character is shaving in the bathroom and listening to the radio, the butler is talking and everything is drowned out. This was a very early 'talkie' and I think directors were still adjusting to the new technology.

BTW, It's a shame that the film is in such poor physical shape (it's over 80 years old afterall), I wonder if any of the genuises at UCLA film lab can restore it.

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I used to have a DVD of this (lost 1 DVD in a move of a 5 DVD Hitchcock set). From what I remember, the version I had was in decent shape, but I don't remember what was being said. I think this is a public domain movie and is available at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr5tOyvJgtI (part of a CUNY TV broadcast).

Without rewatching the movie (it's been a few years since I've seen it), I think part of the problem could be the copy of the film you're viewing, the newness of sound film, or, the difficulty of hearing a conversation when there are kids in the room.

I will have to check out the CUNY-TV version on YouTube since there appears to be some discussion of the film in addition to the actual film.

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It is there and it is quite obnoxious! Only thing I could make out is this is how he finds out about the fane and Stewart characters having policeman uniforms in thei luggage bc they had stayed in that room and the kids went thru their stuff. The mother said she apologized to them and asked why they had that uniform but they both denied having it even tho she knows it was there bc her kids opened up their suitcases being the little brats they are. Anyway so bc of her comment he now knows that it's either fane or Stewart that is the murderer as one of them dressed as a policeman to escape then lied about having the uniform....understand now why that scene is important although obnoxious? Dot understand why it would be deleted from some of the movies bc it is an important part of the movie.

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I'm referring to sir John when I said "he now knows it is either fane or Stewart' the mother was telling sir John about her getting on to the kids when fane and Stewart stayed bc they went thru their luggage and broke the lock and now they were messing with sir johns luggage, hence the point of why she reveals that the kids found a police man uniform and why it is important to sir John but the mother Is clueless and just reminding her kids to stay off sir johns luggage bc last time they broke the guests (fane & Stewarts) lock.... I hope this clarifies what the scene was about and why it's important

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This was a very early 'talkie' and I think directors were still adjusting to the new technology.


Yep, you're right. All the dialogue in that scene was lost.

But did you know that there was a real orchestra playing behind the camera in the scene where Marshall is shaving in the bathroom and listening to 'the radio".

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