I hated this movie


Thats all i have to say.

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that is because you're an idiot. that's all i have to say.

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"I disapprove of what you say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire

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"I disapprove of what you say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire
Oh shut up. How in the world did that person's post violate the other person's "right" to say they hated the movie? Why do people think their "free speech" is being suppressed every time someone criticizes them? Free speech means you can't be thrown in jail for saying something, not that everyone has to kiss your ass and never criticize you no matter what you say.

The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of history.
-Mao Zedong

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I have a couple of things to say in response to this:

(i) You literally replied to a DECADE-OLD thread, asking questions of people who said things ten years ago. It's amazingly lucky I've even seen your comment, one year after it was posted (yes, I'm aware of the irony). Who does this? You must have a major stick up your ass about something that you feel strongly enough to post a message to a bunch of Internet ghosts.

(ii) You have some cojones to try and debate Voltaire. My quote (if I can remember 11 years ago when I first made it) was a nice shorthand way of saying "I disagree, but fair enough". Who the hell can argue with that? Again: stick, ass.

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So just because I hated this movie that makes me an idiot? Well I'm just going to go and cry now. Look at me, I'm so sad now. And your so much better then I.

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"And your so much better then I."


correction:
*...you're so much better than I.

"Don't ever listen to anyone on IMDb except ChimpCadet."

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Whilst I didn't all out hate this movie I felt it certainly hasn't held up well over the past 76 years. This is simply because all of the techniques that were deemed revolutionary at the time are just normal today so its visual impact is lost. Because this is what really sells the film (after all, what else does it have?) what was once entrancing is now dull. The use of associative techniques is well employed but you get the impression that anybody with a camera today could make a film that compares shaving a man's face with the sharpening of an axe. I know that there are deeper meanings evident throughout the film but from a film studies point of view it is nothing more than an interesting yet extremely archaic piece. Historians will love it though.

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if thats all he/she has got to say fair enough, but are you asking for people so say they hated it too or, the real question is why did you post this? oh i liked it, i found it quite hard work though

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How can you ask "what else does it have?". It's a portrait of a city in a time that we will never experience again. I'm fairly certain I'll never see Moscow such as it was in this movie.

And obviously if you look at it as being dated simply because of the techniques being used, then every film will be dated in some time or another.

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Because techniques of Man with a Movie Camera can be easily imitated by amateurs today does not mean the film ceases to be revoltionary. That's like calling Newton a moron because his concepts are understood and used by highschoolers today. What the hell is wrong with people anyway?

Vertov's masterpiece is infinitely more than clever film techniques. You realize you witnessed a film from 1929 which has shots of a projectionist putting in the reels of the very film you are watching, of a woman giving birth (you can see the baby literally come out of the birth canal), of another woman shooting a Hitler figure with a swastika on its head, historic and innovative shots of Moscow, Kiev, Odessa (and a few other cities), a frantic collision between birth and death out of which comes life in the world we live. Not to mention one of the most beautiful still shots in cinematic history (the woman sleeping with her arm over her head, the bottom frame just barely cutting off her eyes. Actually, I believe there are two instances of this shot in the film).

Granted it's not a popcorn-munching film for lazy minds, but if you didn't get its brilliance, get lost.

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This is a terribly late post given when this thread was started.. (I just experienced this film today) but I just have to say I love your reply. You hit the nail right on the head. Brilliant film as well.

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This message is excellent, and it expresses my feelings perfectly. It's the only one that makes sense, and the one that has truly captured the essence of this wonderful masterpiece. Thank you!!!

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I know i'm replying 9 years after you made this post, but I just wanted to say I love your post, you said exactly what I wanted to say and worded it better than I could.

The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of history.
-Mao Zedong

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What a strange and pointless argument. Of course anyone could make this film today but you can only say that with the benefit of 76 years of hindsight and technological, cultural and creative advancement. It's very easy to say that "you could have done it", when someone has already laid the groundwork. Would or could you have made it back then? It's highly unlikely. At the time it was a profoundly different vision and concept in filmmaking. Of course it's dated that's not the point. As Newton said "If I have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants".

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Seriously, may I just say that it's preposterous to claim that "anyone could do it today". Have you seen any youtube videos?

To make even a remake of this takes an experienced director, editor, cameraman, producer. Really.

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Yeah. The first wheel is a real piece of sh*t today too. Great point, moron.

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Normally I can just move beyond the postings in these forums and just accept them as what they are, internet postings. However, when you wrote:

"I know that there are deeper meanings evident throughout the film but from a film studies point of view it is nothing more than an interesting yet extremely archaic piece."

I almost lost it. I know that this post is well over a year old and you may or may not ever see my response still, I have to take great issue with that statement. I am not sure what you are defining as film studies but, this film is crucial to anyone who really wants to undertake a serious study of film. What you refer to as 'techniques' aren't just camera gimmicks. This film is a piece of metacinema that is well beyond its years. Call it experimental by today's standards, but it is far from archaic.

Not only is it a document on Vertov’s theory on the Kino eye, it is a visual representation of the art and nature of cinema itself. We are constantly reminded that the film is a construction and that it is not reality but a represented reality that we are watching. If you don’t believe that it has a place in film studies, then you aren’t studying the write material.

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I HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE stupid spelling errors like that.

There

They're = They are

To

Two = 2

Too = Also

Your = To have possession of

You're = You are

Is it really THAT hard?

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you are a funny man, ChimpCadet... when you are lecturing someone, do it properly... I think that this sentence makes much more sense, when you write "you're so much better than ME" ;o)))))))) But I think that nobody (that includes me as well) can not write and speak english without any mistakes at all, because english is not simply their "mother language" :oD

Sorry that I am making fun of you, but I really love people, who are "correcting" someone... like "go back to school" or "where did you learn english"? Jeez, relax, man... Many users of imdb.com are not from "english speaking countries", but they are simply "forced" to post their ideas in english.... So when you have problems with someone´s english, work for Oxford English Dictionary.

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No offense, but he said he hated it. Not even that is was bad but that he hated it.

Anyway, someone said that this film doesn't bring anything new to a contemporary audience. Actually it does. Yes it uses existing techniques but it's still a great depiction of progresss and the industrial machine. Not only that, but the music is actually much more technically advanced and complex than the scores that accompany most films today. In all honesty, I'd says it's better than Koyaansqatsi.

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Dude, try watching it with Ten, Vs., Vitalogy, or No Code playing instead of the soundtrack. At least you'll get your dose of braying mules.

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Oh yeah man totally gnarly idea thats really bitchin' I should take a trip to the valley to get some good shrooms too man totally, then I'll watch 2001 and the Wizard of Oz to some Floyd man yeah Rock on Lenin rock on Vertov, *beep* off Stalin

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I would have to say I nearly agree. If you have a movie with just video and music, it'd better be some doggone good music! Not so here.

A guy going around with a video camera recording people in their everyday lives IS an interesting idea, especially for 1929.. But come on: Better music, a narration.. SOMETHING to keep us interested!



Walt D in LV

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Actually, the question whether or not there's actually a narration is perfectly debatable. It may just be more subtile than you think. I'd suggest you watch it again if you can.

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Pearl Jam sucks

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It's not a bad movie, if u r not used to that kind of movies it's not your fault, I saw it and liked it, but in our class we concluded that besides being an advance in editing, it was also an scholastic movie, a must see movie if u study anything related to media, if u saw it just for entertaining it was at your own risk!..so don't criticize th movie at all! it's a historical fil, a classic and a revolution on its time! Also, many of the cuts that this movie has r used nowadays in actual movies!

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Goes without saying, every movie is better when nicely toasted. In fact, the single most intense movie-related experience I've ever had was watching The Cook, The Thief, His Wife and His Lover stoned out of my mind. I've watched it again since, and it was still genius, but that first time...

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Well I think this poster is in his or her right, whether a reason is given or not. Having a reason for doing something is just a recent concept in social history. And you're not obligated to have a reason for anything, though you may want to if you expect people to understand and/or relate to you.

Personally, I'm on the fence about the movie. Sure, it's quite a useful piece of scholarly work, and in its time, it was quite a marvel. However, as society's tastes have changed over the years, I would say this movie wouldn't make much money in the current box office. You'd probably only find it in the private, independent film circles, if anywhere. I certainly wouldn't pay to see it, because it doesn't fit my definition of entertaining. Fascinating, yes. And it's always good to see where we've come from to help know where we're going. But I wouldn't waste more of my time on it that research and writing class papers didn't require.

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There is no way of being offensive. But I do have to say, it is offensive to read about someone writing such a non sense thing about such a masterpiece. On second thoughts, you might have liked Titanic. Which explains a lot.

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Why in the world hasn't anyone seen this? (Hypothetical question; I know the reason.) It is magnificent! Astounding! Incredible! If it were made today, it would be quite a feat, but this was produced in 1929. Unbelieveable! This movie is criminally underrecognized. Beyond amazing.

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Actually it is my beleif that this film has more to offer audiences now, just as much as it ever did, because it challenges the concept that films must have a cohesive plot as dictated and controlled by dialogue. Modern cinema has partially discarded the idea that movies are essencially a visual medium, as much or even more so than a theatrical one. Man with a movie camera does one of the best job of pointing out this mistake that modern movie goers make. It would be infinantly valuble, if only people would listen to what it has to say. Vertov is still way ahead of his time, and even our time, in my opion.

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Bingo. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: cinema has so much more potential than is exploited. See also: Antonioni's concept of abstract cinema.

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