Sound vs. silent


I have seen this film several times and continue to marvel at how Hitchcock utilized the new medium of sound in his first talkie:
- The scream of Alice seeing a lifeless hand blending into the scream of the landlady discovering the body of the artist.
- The closing of the door to the telephone booth cutting off the chatter of the gossip.
- The ringing of the store bell announcing the arrival of another customer being distorted to Annie's ears.
- The gossip talking while we see Annie's hand cutting bread and all Annie hears is "knife...knife...KNIFE!!"

I understand there are both silent and sound versions of this movie. Can someone who has seen the silent version explain how these scenes can be effective at all in a movie with no sound?

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I haven't seen the sound version, and I saw the silent one only once. When they added sound, they didn't simply add the sound on the existing cut, but they recut the entire movie and filmed some new material. The scenes that to you don't seem to make sense without sound are probably edited differently in the silent version.
The silent version is breathtaking, everything works.

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My first viewing of "Blackmail" is about to begin.It`s comming on Wycc ch.20 @2Am CST.It`s a local PBS station out of "Chicago".Last night was "Hitch`s" silent film "Champagne".Tommorrow is another Hitchcock film.The version of "Blackmail" I am now watching so far seems to be silent.There`s only music playing,and no dialouge windows so far.I do however like the score.It accompany`s the film rather well.I am hearing minor sound effects.Well I guess it`s the silent version as so far no words or dialouge windows either.I wonder why? Oh wait.There is some sound,but so far it`s in-audiable.Now it`s improving somewhat.So I guess it`s the "talkie"version.It`s all making sense now.Oh hey there`s "Hitch in his cameo".As having read the main board for this film I understand why this movie is the way it is.I find that I have to pay very close attention as the dialouge is very hard to hear,and the plot moves quickly at times.So for those reasons I`m off to see "Blackmail".

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The gossip talking while we see Annie's hand cutting bread and all Annie hears is "knife...knife...KNIFE!!"

That stood out for me as well. What an amazing innovation!

Not bad for Britain's first talking picture.

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I wonder how "Hitch" came up with that idea.It certainly was ahead of its time...

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Thanks for your comment, Azazelo. It makes sense that Hitchcock would have added new scenes to make the sound innovations he used effective.

shotgunnergauge: I noticed the first time I watched Blackmail that the first 8 minutes are silent, so I can understand how you might initially have thought you were watching the silent version! I would like to get the silent version, too, as I enjoy many of Hitchcock's silent movies as well.

I will also mention how Hitchcock used shadows to interesting effect twice in Blackmail. At 23:52 the shadow of a hanging lamp appears on the artist’s face as the stereotypical handlebar mustache of the villain of silent films. At 1:18:10, as Alice stands up from writing her note to Frank, a shadow forms a noose around her neck!

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Yes anciantnut I really enjoyed "Blackmail" and witnessing "Hitch`s" early work.He certainly was ahead of his time in imagination as well as inovations.The shadow scenes you wrote of were also cool,and memorable.I have read on IMDB that "Hitch" considered the shadow scenes in "Blackmail" to be his farewell or ode to the silent era of film.I also liked that even though "Alice" did what she had to do to escape rape and/or worse she remained haunted forever by the whole thing.She was a changed and haunted woman for life.......

"Do not let thorns in your side become nails in your coffin".-Bruce Richard Bundy 10/2006

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In the TV documentary "The other Hollywood" (BBC 1996) Sound man - and latter TV director - Dallas Bower describes how he did the sound edit to a brief by "Hitch" who was too busy ,and had no sound expertise anyway.

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I've seen the silent version and to me these scenes have almost the same effect even if they dont have sound




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I don't see how they could be as effective without sound. I think the poster who suggested that additional scenes were filmed for the sound version is probaly right.

Where did you find the silent version? I haven't been able to find it anywhere.

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I have watched both versions back to back on DVD. Both are very worthwhile, but comparing them is comparing two different films. With the sound and other scenes added, they are actually two films. That`s the way I see it.
The sound film is imo one of Hitchcock`s masterpieces , while the silent version, though not as good, is still great, and one of the best silent films I`ve seen. If you love one you should see the other.

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I just got a hold of the German DVD edition of Blackmail . It has both the silent and the sound version of the film (see: http://www.amazon.de/Blackmail-Erpressung-Anny-Ondra/dp/B00005UE71/sr=1-1/qid=1171854748/ref=pd_bowtega_1/302-1727694-7159259?ie=UTF8&s=dvd. The menu is in English and the transfer is excellent.). It is quite interesting to see one after the other.

Personally I thought the silent film worked much better. The camera work as more interesting, the story flowed better and it had no music number (OK it irritates me that they always had to include someone singing in the early talkies, even though it did not fit at all in to the story. Don't misunderstand, I love musical, but there the music is for a reason. Having the rapist play and sing did nothing for me. It was just silly).


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(OK it irritates me that they always had to include someone singing in the early talkies, even though it did not fit at all in to the story. Don't misunderstand, I love musical, but there the music is for a reason. Having the rapist play and sing did nothing for me. It was just silly).


I understand where you're coming from re some of the superfluous sounds in the film. I found the pet bird singing as Alice was getting up to be super-annoying, particularly as I had my speakers cranked way up so as to better hear the soundtrack. And the bird didn't really need to be there: it didn't seem to play any part in the plot at all (or, at least, not an immediately obvious one).

But from a storytelling perspective, the artist (or rapist, if you like, although I think his attack was entirely thwarted) bursting into song and accompanying himself on the piano makes sense: he's trying to put Alice at her ease, isn't he? And what better way to do that than with a good old-fashioned sing-song?

(Especially when she's undressing behind the screen and she can no longer see him: he's trying to keep her cheerful and entertained with the singing, you see, so that she doesn't stop to think about what she's doing [taking off her dress in a near-stranger's home].)

So the scene not only allowed Hitch to show off some of the new "talking picture" technology, but it also helped to advance the storyline a bit by showing us the artist singing to Alice in order to try to lull her into a false sense of security and catch her off-guard.

And I think the cheery singing (and the false smile that accompanies it) helps serve as a stark contrast to the aggression and brutality he displays just a few moments later, when he's trying to overpower her. One minute the artist is Mr. Nice guy; the next, it's obvious he's willing to do whatever it takes to get what he wants, even if it means hurting her.


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Well, also Hitchcock liked to use the mechanism of unusual things happening in comfortable or normal places. Until Hitchcock, no one expected a murderer to come barging through your shower curtain. Hitchcock tends to put his viewers at ease before he surprises or shocks them. The Artist entertaining her puts not only Anny Ondra at ease but puts the viewers at ease also.

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I have watched both versions back to back on DVD. Both are very worthwhile, but comparing them is comparing two different films.


Could you please tell us the publisher of the silent version of Blackmail on DVD? There are many DVDs available of this film in the US, but they all only seem to offer the talkie version.

Or better yet: is there a US publisher of a DVD with both versions on one disc (just like the German one described elsewhere in this thread)?



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It is published by ArtHous and I think it is only sold on www.amazon.de (in Germany). I'm 99.999999% sure it is not available in USA. If your DVD player plays R2 disks then you should be able to play it.


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I'm 99.999999% sure it is not available in USA.


Possibly (okay, probably) not in a sound/silent single-disc edition.

But I'm hoping that there's a domestic publisher who has at least seen fit to put the silent verion of Blackmail on DVD, even if it isn't paired up with the sound version. I mean, I already have the sound version, so there's little point in acquiring another copy.

I don't have a problem buying the German R2 DVD, it's just that if there's a US supplier, I'd prefer to try to keep them going by throwing a few dollars their way, that's all. Especially with the US dollar being a near-joke when making purchases in the UK and Europe. :sigh:



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Never saw the silent version...
But the talkie was fun... Fun in the way of listening to an old radio show...
But I must admit, I'm a lover of his "American flicks"...

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So far, the only official releases of the silent film have been in Germany and Spain. It might be worth looking at the "Alfred Hitchcock: Master of Suspense" German box set if you wanted to pick up a few more titles as well. The set has 6 DVDs, so works out better value for money than just buying the single disc "Blackmail".

http://www.hitchcockwiki.com/page/129

Which ever one you go for, you'll also get the cool "Sound Test":

http://www.hitchcockwiki.com/page/70

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I agree. I only saw the silent version and I think it's plenty effective without sound.

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Both have their good qualities...with silent, one doesn't have to listen to the sometimes-annoying voice dubbing they did with Anny Ondra. With the sound version, however, you get the amazing "knife" bit.

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Someone wrote:

>>>>>I understand where you're coming from re some of the superfluous sounds in the film. I found the pet bird singing as Alice was getting up to be super-annoying, particularly as I had my speakers cranked way up so as to better hear the soundtrack. And the bird didn't really need to be there: it didn't seem to play any part in the plot at all (or, at least, not an immediately obvious one).

Ahh, but you didn't look close enough. There's always a reason for everything in a Hitchcock picture.

The girl hears the bird and then the camera pans and we see near her bed a teacup with the face of a cat on it.

Cats chase and eat birds.



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I just did blog posts with comparisons of both the sound and silent versions in my Year of Hitchcock blog (I'm watching EVERYTHING in chronological order).

You can read my posts here:

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I don't know if this is the reason or not, but it seems that because of the sparse dialogue by the time the movie really kicks in its almost over. I thought it had just started and was at the beginning of the movie when the police were on the way and they had the blackmailer in the room locked up. At this point I was in the mindset that the movie would have about another hour of them dealing with the black mailer, so I was VERY surprised when I saw the time was at one hour 17 minutes and only had 8 minutes left of the film!! I seriously thought it was an error and there was no way I'd been watching that movie for over an hour already! Idk how he does it but it really felt like maybe 20 minutes tops. Not sure if this is due to the fact that there's not as much talking as in movies we are used to so that by the time you've put things together and get a feel for the type of characters they are ( compared to how much sooner that would happen in modern movies ) the movie is almost over. Anyone else understand what experience I had or have one similar? It's hard to explain but if it is due to the type of movie it is compared to what I'm used to then it's possible others know what reaction I had. Anyone I thought it was pretty great for its time.

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I really prefer the silent version. It's extremely effective.

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