Why did the overrated, overpolished Disney try to take the credit for making the first cartoon with sound, when animationpioneer Max Fleischer did this years before old Walty? Why, please tell me why?
shareThis was the first animated movie with a synchronised soundtrack.
shareNo, it wasn't. Max Fleischer's Bouncing Ball-films from 1924 was the first with synchronised sound. Disney tried to indicate that they did it first, ever since this cartoon was released. Max Fleischer did this 4 years before Walt, working with Lee De Forrest.
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If you really didn't care who was first, you would never even have bothered posting here.
shareIf you didn't think I should've posted it, you should not have dignified it with a response.
By your logic, you shouldn't have posted this here in the first place... instead of posting in the Mickey board asking why everyone thinks it was first, you should have posted in the almighty Fleischer cartoon's board simply stating that it was first.
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Why is that, when it was, in fact, good o'l Disney who took credit for something he didn't do? For everybody to get it inside their heads, i had to post it here because everybody who knows who the Fleischerbrothers are, also knows that they created the first sound-cartoons. A lot, to many, Disneyfans dosen't know this and thats why it's importan to tell. Right here.
shareSo what was the first animation with sound?
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"Come Take a Trip in My Airship" (1924), and might I add that unlike Disney, this cartoon went so far as synchronizing lip-movements/dialogue. This and several other shorts were made between 1924-1927, but unlike "Steamboat Willie", they followed no such narrative, they were strictly sing-along reels, viewed only as a novelty.
shareYou don't happen to know of a place where I can buy the early Fleischer sound cartoons (1924-1927) on video, do you?
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Disney may have been a pioneering animator but he often took credit for things belonging to others. Most of the oscars he won for best animation short should have been awarded to the director not the studio head.
Also, similar in vein to Steamboat Willie not being the first sound short by about 4 years Snow White is not the first animation feature, (indeed not even the first Snow White feature - acknowledged by Disney himself).
The Adventures of Prince Achmed is 11 years older and even that may not be the first - but at least it exists (even on DVD).
The main reason why Walt got so much credit for things he never did was because he told everyone he was the first to do this and the first to do that helped in no small measure by his TV shows. The other pioneers simply did not have his media clout.
However, Walt Disney is still one of the greatest film producers in cinema history whose work far surpases Max and Dave Fleischer.
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Best animated short Oscars were awarded to the producer rather than the director. Disney was the producer (just as the Best Picture Oscar goes to the producer, and Best Director is a separate category)
shareIt was the first animated movie that had sound in it. Other people tried to syncronize the movie and sound, but failed to do it.
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So what if anybody didn't know about it? That dosen't change the facts. What's right should be right. And how do you know that Disney didn't attempt to "lie" (ok, lie is perhaps a bit far-streched, but at least to take credit for something they didn't do first)? Disey wasn't a foolish man, and if he did have any knowledge of animation, which he certinly had, he must have know that there already had been made a german full-feature length animation film (although some people cites Fleischer's "Einstein theory of Relativity" as the first full-length animated feature). And he also must have known that Fleischr first did animation with sound. After all, Disney dod pick up a lot of inspiration from the Fleischer Studios. No doubt about that.
shareNow that you mentioned it, "El Aposol'"(1917) was the first feature-length animation ever made. It was produced, animated and directed by Quirino Christiani. Walt Disney DID have knowledge of Christiani's films and even screened them upon several occasions. Disney never once said that he was the "first" person to do (fill in the blank), it's his chump studio that says so. Those moneyhounds will say anything to protect their image, that is if they still have one.
share"Same with Nightmare Before Christmas. Who the hell remmembers all those movies made way back when by foreign animators. Maybe a few people, and I'm sure a few people evel like them, but the majority of the film comunity doesn't remmember them. They were made some half a century before the 1993 film, and did poorly, both critically and comercially."
I don't quite understand what you are stating about NBC. Are you stating that it's a remake?
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Disney bashing. Wow, haven't seen any of that online this hour.
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Welllll,
Depends on how you look at it really. I recall reading that the Fleischer talkies were done on some really complex system that mechanically linked a phonograph to a projector. Since the theaters didn't acccept the system the cartoons weren't widely shown and they didn't make an impact on the industry.
Fantasia was initially a flop at least partially for the same reason: few theaters were equipped for stereo so the distribution was very narrow.
By the time Steamboat Willie was in the theaters, a successful sync-sound system was already up and running, and after it came out nobody really wanted to see a silent cartoon anymore.
So, it's true: it's technically not the first, but really the first successful. It's a lot like comparing what the Wright Brothers built to all the ones before it that crashed!
The Vikings (or maybe the Chinese) found America first, but Columbus changed the world by finding it second! (...or maybe third!)