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Can someone explain to me why this is so great?


I don't mean to troll, but why does everyone consider this film to be Keaton's masterpiece? Maybe I'm completely missing the point here, but I saw the film as a 85% wild train chase with some amusing (though not laugh out loud funny, in my opinion) sequences.

I'm going to re-watch it again sometime because I believe in second chances when it comes to films, but can someone who liked it explain to me why I liked it? Am I missing the big picture here?

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How was it inventive and revolutionary? If you're talking technically, I thought that the hurricane scene in Steamboat Bill Jr. was a bit more entertaining. Why do you think this way, may I ask?

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I agree with what you said and I too, would like to know why this film is so "revolutionary." But I have to admit, this is my first Buster Keaton film. Anyway, I don't think it's a bad film, it's actually pretty enjoyable and funny. But it didn't blow my mind as I was expecting. It has a lot of merits to it, it's #1 (or fairly close to #1) on many movie polls as the greatest comedy movie or silent movie or general greatest movie of all time. Then again, I might be biased, being a Charlie Chaplin fan.

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I prefer Keaton over Chaplin. This was my first Keaton picture too. I thought Chaplin's "City Lights" is one of the funniest movies I've ever seen, and the greatest silent I've ever seen was "Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans" in response to the polls questions.

I just didn't think it was as funny as something like "Sherlock Jr.", which I actually found to be hysterical.

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Sherlock Jr. was the first Buster film and I saw and it was non-stop stunts and comedy and I was expecting the same here. So I was a bit disappointed. Compare for example, the scene in Sherlock where he finds a dollar bill among the junk pile vs the scene in The General where he loses his shoe in the shoe pile. Similar set-ups but while the former had me in stitches, there was no pay-off in the latter.

But after reading some of the top reviews, I reconsidered. This film is really good at what it does. This film should be appreciated for the understated stunts, the action and attention to historical detail. In those areas, this is genius.

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I agree with you.

At the time it was released, it also didn't please all of the critics.

The idea of taking a historic event -- and turning it into a comedy may be part of the appeal.
Also, being told from the perspective of the Confederacy obviously made it unique.

I don't find it mind blowing either.

Also, the music is so loud, I can't hear any of the dialogue.

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The music is another complaint I had. The score annoyed me very much.

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Which score did you hear with the movie? There are so many versions out there of varying quality. My personal favorite score is by Carl Davis, which can be heard in this brief montage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g193eTLigrQ

It's worth seeing again, preferrably on that KINO release. In addition to the Davis score, there are (I believe) two others which are also well done.


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This was a silent movie - it did not come with a sound track!

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TheLamplightersSerenade,

I always turn down silent movie's soundtracks because the crazy frenzied piano playing guarantees me a headache and that I'll never watch the film all the way through. That said, and noting I did turn it down, this is the first score I LOVED! The old standards fit the action so well that6 it was really cute, and when Johnnie was coming back to the tune of "When Johnnie Comes Marching Home Again" it tickled me to death!

Perhaps you don't like these old southern songs? Everybody can't love everything. I adored this enough for both of us. And I've never been further south than Missouri, Texas and Washington, D.C.

I saw the TCM version on 3/26/16 with the score redone but can't remember who it was, just that there was a cute photo of them at the very end. After a message about how they located music....

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Of course your not gonna find a film from 1926 mind blowing after seeing all the movies of today.

I gave the movie a 10, because I enjoyed it throughout. It was the first action/comedy, couldnt really find any flaws with it. An instant classic.

Come at the king, you best not miss.

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Liquid_Ozymandias and original poster,

I found it mind-blowing throughout! My first Buster Keaton film that I remember (getting old), I was totally blown away! Yes, attention to detail was amazing, but the energy of Keaton was so endearing, as was his character--he was so cute in that unpretentious and innocent way we rarely see any more. The activity onscreen was always a surprise, I never grew tired of what was happening. The constant climbing up, over, between, through and around moving locomotives never ceased to amaze me--from the early scene of him sitting on the long bar attached to the wheels, going up and down, up and down. That killed me!

I also loved how original the scenes felt--surprising since it's been nearly 100 years (for others to copy his originality) and he created this when there was little else--but he didn't use cheap emotional tricks unless we count mugging at the camera, a staple of silent films--and definitely something his female fans must have wanted a lot more of. But the character's behavior was more than enough to draw us in and make us root for him without the mugging. (I was even rooting for the South to win the war for a time there...LOL) Racing to enlist first, running around blocks and popping through lines to beat his loved one's brother and father to the enlistment window were endearing stunts that we could all relate to even if we could not have duplicated the athleticism.

The use of the trains was outstanding. He filmed them with strong contrast to surrounding scenery, such dark and heavy objects with inertia and constantly fueled steam engines propelling them onward--yet his character manipulated them as tho he was on his bicycle! The train would stop so quickly in spite of its size--it looked as if he had worked on trains all of his life. We learned to trust his expertise with the train and concentrate on the action. He always had another trick to try to stop the Northern soldiers. Johnnie never left me thinking he missed anything--an irritating thing in many movies where they try to make characters sympathetic for their stupidity. This guy knew his craft and thought of everything--and left the dumb stuff to the girlfriend who was not so familiar with trains or the tracks and geography. Except for the night in the woods...complete with bear AND bear trap.

I did not even know this was based so closely on a true story until after watching it all the way through and coming to IMDB to learn more of Buster Keaton and his work. One of the best movies I've seen in a while. Smart and silly, witty and touching. I'm wondering how much Woody Allen was influenced by Buster Keaton in those early films of his--Bananas, Sleeper, even Love and Death. My favorites with several others. Keaton was the master.

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I think part of the appeal is Keaton's attention to detail - the reproduction of Civil War era trains - and one being destroyed. It isn't Keaton's funniest film or his most action packed film, but with many of Keaton's films, it takes more than one viewing to catch a lot of subtle things that he does - and, there is quite a bit of subtle acting on Keaton's part - the sequence under the table where he looks like he's thinking, how in the hell do I get my girlfriend and myself out of this? It would have been tough enough to get himself out of that situation.

Another factor is the timing - for example, how did they figure when and where the cannon had to shoot to almost hit The General? You have two moving trains traveling x miles per hour at a curved section of track. The cannonball cannot actually it the train - that might injure a number of actors. How much gunpowder was actually needed to make that shot. How did they manage to get the cannon to drop to almost level with ground simply by going over a bumpy section of track? How long did the fuse have to be and how fast did it burn? That's an advanced physics problem.

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I agree with the OP. I'm a big fan of Keaton and I loved The General, but I don't understand why should it be considered more worth watching than, say, Navigator, Sherlock jr, Our Hospitality, or even Seven Chances. I mean, when there's a list of "best silent films" there's always The General out of all Keaton's films in it.
I hope I won't offend anyone with this: as a non-American, I think The General's success has a lot to do with America's nostalgia about Civil War - you know, big battles, armies, big trains, heroism... Compared to that, Sherlock jr is "just" a film about some guy's personal problems :). The attention to detail when recreating the era only confirms it...

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justejust,

NOPE. The Civil War does nothing for me. Nada. Zippo. I can't even watch documentaries about it. And I've watched just about everything that's ever been made about WWII in English and the Revolutionary War at least several times. But the Civil War was just death and more death. It is pure awful to me. But I adore The General.

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I always say that The General isn't Keaton's greatest comedy (there are at least five other Keaton films that make me laugh more), but it is his greatest movie. The mistake is to watch this as a comedy. I watch it as an action/chase film with some humor. By that measure, it is one of the best action movies ever made. The train chases still hold up today, the suspense still grabs me, and the storytelling is swift, efficient and perfectly paced. That is has some quality humor is a PLUS but is no means the point of the movie for me.

His other work is, for the most part, all comedy and slam-bang stuntwork and special effects. But the storytelling/filmmaking in, say, Steamboat Bill and Seven Chances don't hold up as well.

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Yes, its comedy not made laugh loud, me too. sometimes ridiculous.

But, why this is so great?
1. The idea/story (about train chases).
2. Keaton acted/stunt himself (the girlfriend too). I mean, it's so real. And thats very risky.
Watch & see!!!!
My rating ~ 9/10

CMIIW :)

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Although I did not find the gags in The General as funny as other Keaton films but the film was still entertaining to watch. Plus you have to give Keaton credit for doing all his own stunts. He did very well and anything could have gone wrong at any moment.

"I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not".

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Hehe, I just saw this movie and I have the same query.
It was not something great.

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I don't see it as a comedy. It's pure spectacle, but holds up just as well as action movies today. Really enjoyed the audacity and simplicity of it and that's it. It's not the same movie as Sherlock, Jr. It's closer to Die Hard, in my opinion. Looked at with that lens might make you appreciate it more?



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It's closer to Die Hard


Die Hard also came to my mind while watching this movie..

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