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The Club Foot Orchestra score


I saw this wonderful movie again on TCM last night, but much as I love Sherlock, Jr. I still have mixed feelings about that musical score provided by the Club Foot Orchestra for the film's video release in the mid-'90s. The early scenes are fine, and I rather like the bluesy guitar-picking that accompanies the scene where Buster is falsely accused of stealing the watch, but for me the score goes off-track when the dream sequence begins. The best music for silent films supports and enhances the imagery, but during the great sequence when Buster walks into the onscreen film and can't get his bearings the music gets so weird it's distracting, and this happens again during the billiards scene. It's also distracting when the James Bond theme anachronistically pops up during the chase, but that doesn't bother me as much as the earlier scenes.

Any other thoughts?

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the score is pretty bloody awful. it's distracting and takes away from the film, especially the spy guitar/james bond part.


"When we felt the heat, couldn't turn it into fire"

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Ick, that soundtrack was awful. I loved the movie, but the music was so post-modern that it totally detracted from the movie.

I detected the following genres during the movies:
1) Slide guitar in a country style
2) Free jazz
3) James Bond style theme
4) Neil Young-esque guitar rock.

Why these should apply to a 1920's work is beyond me. I've seen quite a few silent movies with live accompaniment, and I thought the modern scores were ok. I don't think that all scores have to be traditional, but for a video release it is totally out of character.

I really wish Kino had a more traditional score for the movie. It was distracting and honestly made the movie hard to watch. I muted it after 10-15 minutes. Otherwise a great flick, dragged down by a "renovated" sound track.

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The CFO score is so terrible - not apt to the time or the mood - that it really ruins the film. These guys should be ashamed.

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Yeah, the film is much too brilliant to disgrace it with a score like this. Keaton is spinning in his grave.



"Where did you learn your trade you stupid *beep* cnut!?" - Richard Roma

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I was wondering about that, I didn't know a different score had been done, so I was sitting there thinking why the music didn't quite match the visuals. In the end I ignored the music, the film was so funny anyway.

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I turned it off and put on some random classical music. It didnt go with the action, but it was better than the Club Foot Orchestra. Abominable.

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i found the score, if anything, distracting. i don't know if it's just because that style of music connotes '60s cop films or what, but at times i found myself more interested in the music than in the film: the two just didn't mesh. That said, I'd be interested in hearing the music by ITSELF, as it is very professionally done and generally interesting to listen to. I'm not generally such a historical purist that I demand everything be so "authentic" or anything, but generally it gave the scenes a seedy connotation or, at least, a more calculating tone when, nearest I can figure, so much of the essence of Keaton's character is his naivety and the anarchy of his environment. Sleazy guitars during chase scenes call to mind a concept of "Will Good Defeat Evil?" when Keaton is so oblivious to his current predicament that he cannot possibly intentionally outwit a villain. Does anyone know the reasoning as to why this score has become the accepted one? Are there prints available with other scores, and are there other silents with similarly mismatched scores that I should be aware of?

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I do something like that too. Since his movies are public domain, I've downloaded them. A lot of his shorts (at least the versions I've downloaded) have bad music, but what's worse is when they have whistles or horrible sound effects. There's some versions of his short films that when he falls or does something funny it plays this loud and obnoxious whistle. It's awful. So, I pick a random movie of his with just a simple piano and play it while I watch the other one with the sound off. Even if the music doesn't match it's infinitely better.

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oh yeah? - maybe you should know that Keaton's widow loved the Club Foot Orchestra score

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Must rate as the worst musical accompaniment to any silent movie, whoever okayed it must've been stone deaf!!

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Wow. I'll be the lone voice that pipes up and says hey, the score aint all that bad. Although it is a bit annoying during the billiards sequence, I actually like it.

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I agree with this. During the billiard scene, it reminded me of the score for Cabinet of Dr. Caligari. I like modern-sounding scores to these silent movies.

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I'm gonna invite everyone to hate my guts by saying I absolutely LOVED the score. In fact, I'm listening to it right now on my mp3 player. :-) I'm a huge fan of CFO in general and I like modern scores for silent films more than simple organ or piano scorings. I'm also a huge fan of the Marotta (sp?) scores for "The Balloonatic" and some of his others for Buster's short films.

-Kelly

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i completely agree
i think the score is great
where did you find it?

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I'd have to agree that the score on the kino copy is terrible, at least for this movie. I wouldn't necessarily mind listening to it by itself, but as others mentioned I found it distracting. Kinda like listening to Bitches Brew while watching it. At least in the theater scene they could've used the instruments that were actually in the scene (i.e. piano/organ, violin, etc). Next time I'll just mute it and listen to something else. Thought the movie was great otherwise.

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Well, I don't think that I could say anything that hasn't already been said, so I'll just keep it simple.

WORST SCORE EVAR!!!1

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The first time I saw Sherlock Jr., I found the CFO score only mildly distracting ("What's up with the new age-y music? Ah, well..."). But every time I've seen it since, I've been more and more annoyed by that cacophony. I'm embarrassed to show the film to anyone else now, because everyone always complains about the horrible accompaniment. That's a huge shame, because this is probably my favourite Keaton movie.

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Wow, I was going to make a thread about this being the worst silent movie accompanyment I've ever heard, but it looks like many others have already stated that. I've always thought that the bluesy guitar part when Buster starts to look for the watch sounded a little like the Stones' "You Got the Silver" off of Let It Bleed. Which completely takes me out of the silent movie mood. Ugh.

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Rather than putting away your copy of Sherlock Jr. I suggest you do what I do: turn down the pre-recorded music and put on some ragtime instead. Just find a good CD of Scott Joplin or any good ragtime combo and play that, and you may be surprised at how well the music works with the visuals.

Don't let the Club Foot Orchestra ruin your appreciation of this great film!

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