Why is this not in The IMDB Top 250?
I mean this landmark of a movie?
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Because it's not really that good. Yes, it's a landmark--but only because there really wasn't any competition.
Intolerance was one of the first films--not one of the best films.
I would then assume that you would not have put it in the AFI's top 100 American Movies of all times.Because it is there.Motion picture fans and historians have done so.
Who should one believe the AFI or you?
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I think AFI included it because FOR ITS TIME, it was an important film, and certainly had a large impact on the future of the industry. And I don't disagree with this assessment.
But I think the imdb top 250 list is more a rating of "watchibility" than "importance."
Intolerance is very important, but not so much watchable.
And yes, that's my opinion.
The Top 250 is a popularity contest, plain and simple. It has no bearing on the quality of the films in it, except occasionly and mostly coincidentally.
Which is why things like Superbad are on it and Intolerance is not.
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the imdb top 250 is based on the enjoyment factor. A factor that is hard to overcome for many silent films for the simple fact that they are for the most part boring. This film was boring, all I hear is "I liked it but it was a little long", a LITTLE! you have to be kidding, this racest director is a little nothing, big budget, bad film, plain and simple.
Why would a film that didn't even earn back what it cost to make some 90 years ago deserve to be considered a BEST film. Come on, you are entitled to your own opinion and I'm glad you found something that you enjoyed, but I have now seen all of the original AFI 100 and now 90 of the 10th Anniversary and Birth of a Nation was offensive to me on the first list, and this one was close to unbearable.
Bry-2, Superbad is on the Top 250 because the only people that have seen it so far are those that wanted to see it bad enough to go to the theater. Wait until those that rent or wait for tv release enjoy it as well. The Top 1000 voters give it an average of 6.0 so don't expect it to have any longevity, this is just how the site works, don't put too much weight on the 2007 releases.
I hate it when people ignore films just because they are silent. I especially hate the ones that give out about all silent films even when they are quite simply masterpieces like this is. It really is an extraordinary film.
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grumpy_otter said:
I think AFI included it because FOR ITS TIME, it was an important film, and certainly had a large impact on the future of the industry. And I don't disagree with this assessment.
But I think the imdb top 250 list is more a rating of "watchibility" than "importance."
Intolerance is very important, but not so much watchable.
And yes, that's my opinion.
I agree with you. This was an impressive movie when you consider when it was made, but I simply don't find it to be as interesting when compared to now a days. I feel many people like to think of themselves as having good taste, so they rate movies highly if they helped to evolve cinema, but that's not something you have to do. It's perfectly fine to prefer modern movies to older ones.
I love older movies if they are still good today. Rebecca, The Wages of Fear, Paths of Glory, and Stalag 17 are all great examples of movies that I think stood time fantastically. I just don't think this movie did. Rating it for what it did is fine, but trying to defend it against a modern audience who simply don't find it to be interesting now is a losing battle. Just accept that. When people try to convince others that they have better taste by citing films such as this as their favorites and condemning favorites of other people who might prefer modern movies is arrogant and close minded. It doesn't mean anything. It means that the person who said that probably has a wider film knowledge, but it doesn't mean their taste is superior by any means.
That's what I like about using both the imdb top 250 and the afi top 100. Each list presents different kinds of movies, and it's very interesting to watch all of them.
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Well it isn't accesible enough to be loved by mainstream audiences; generally speaking there are very few silents that are liked well enough by modern day audiences to get into that crappy list.
However, TSP lists it relatively high, the respect the film indeed deserves.
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""The white men were roused by a mere instinct of self-preservation ... until at last there had sprung into existence a great Ku Klux Klan, a veritable empire of the South, to protect the Southern country.""
This quote was actually used in Birth of a Nation. This gives more weight to the rumor of his famous "history with lightning" statement.
3. It's just him trying to shake the 'racist' label after Birth of a Nation.Well that clearly didn't work since many accuse this film of being Anti-Semitic.
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Since "Intolerance" is a great work of art and a milestone in cinema history and not a comic book action hero movie like "The Dark Knight", "Iron Man" or "V for Vendetta" it isn't on the IMDb TOP250.
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The top 250 is a popularitycontest. That's why The Dark Knight was #1 for a while. If a movie does not have violence, sex and nudity, it probably won't make the list.
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But it has all of those; sex, violence, and nudity. Most of it is confined to the Babylon section. Well, the sex is really tepid.
shareit's really a disgusting fact that it isn't. this film is so gripping and memorable that anyone who has seen it has been marked and deeply amazed by it, and always remembers it fondly. but that top 250 is a joke. especially now that the new movies that are hyped up always make it in it, especially the big budget sci-fis.
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I'm not sure why it's not as technically it meets the criteria - there are more than 3,000 votes (the required minimum) and the 250th film in the current list has a score of 7.9. This film now has 8.1 so it should be in there.
shareYou must be kidding when you say the top 250 doesn't mean anything. It's the most accurate people's choice list available. A huge chunk of the best films ever made, as defined by critical lists, are also listed on IMDB's top 250. I would trust this list over AFI's top 100 and any other elitist babble. Films are about reaching audiences, not critics.
If you want to account for the hype factor, just ignore the movies in the list made in the last ten years. Eventually they will disappear if the hype outweighs the quality. Hype is only temporary.