Why is this not in The IMDB Top 250?


I mean this landmark of a movie?



"Which one of you nuts has got any guts?"
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Not enough votes, sadly.

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also, the rating is too low...it never had the chance to get the wave of hype votes, since IMDB wasn't around in those days.

Oh, no, Mrs. Robinson. I think you're the most attractive of all my parent's friends.

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Yeah, I loved this film but I have to admit it was difficult to sit through.

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Intolerance is NOT meant to be "fun", for pete's sake. It's meant to teach a LESSON, and it does it VERY well.

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"It's meant to teach a LESSON".

Unfortunately, that seems to be the case - resulting in annoyingly solemn preachiness and some over-the-top melodrama. On the bright side, it actually 'is' quite fun; some truly grand spectacle there.


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Maybe because:

1. No one liked it when it came out.
2. It's a horrible idea.
3. It's just him trying to shake the 'racist' label after Birth of a Nation.

Chris J. Nelson

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You're kidding, right?

First off - President Woodrow Wilson even praised the Birth of a Nation at its release, calling it "History written in lightning"


Anyway, this isn't about that, it's about Intolerance. Intolerance - an epic unlike any other; one of the crowning achievements of the silent films era.

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And we all know that Woodrow Wilson was also a racist, so it is no surprise that he praised a movie that embodied similar sentiments.

I got both movies lying around and still have to watch both of them... but the 250 list isn't about the best movies it is about the most popular, and Intolerance surely does not fill that criterion.

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from wikipedia

Wilson most likely did not make the statement, "It is like writing history with lightning, my only regret is that it is all so terribly true." That was invented by a Hollywood press agent. In fact, Wilson felt he had been tricked by Dixon and publicly said he did not like the film; Wilson blocked its showing during the war.[31] In a 1923 letter to Senator Morris Sheppard of Texas Wilson noted of the reborn Klan, “...no more obnoxious or harmful organization has ever shown itself in our affairs.” [32]

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whether Wilson actually said it or not, it was the first movie to be screened at the white house by a racist president that embodied the Democrap spirit!

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Of course Wilson was a Democrat. The KKK was founded and supported by the Democrats so it is only natural he enjoyed the movie.
BOAN did not glamorize the KKK. It showed them as part of American history and culture that cannot be denied or dismissed as "racist".
Intolerance was DWG's response to the imbeciles who cried "racist" at a movie maker but tolerated actual racism of the KKK by the Democrats.
It is not in IMDB top 250 because it is silent, thought-provoking, in black and white, and made before 1990. Which for most IMDB users is beyond their attention span.

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My response to thederf;

1. "Birth of a Nation" was racist in it's depiction of black people.
Many movies that depicted people of color were racist in the silent era because the vast majority of white America during that time was intensely racist. (And that helps explains why in its day, "Birth of a Nation" was a huge box office success.)
Look up the laws during that time including Jim Crow or the laws against interracial marriage for examples of that.

2. As for "Intolerance", there are some technical things about it which were groundbreaking and impressive even to this day including the creative use of montage (editing as a way to combine elements in a story) and with the massive sets used for the Babylonia section.

3. I certainly have the patience to sit through a lengthy silent film. I studied film at a university. I think that the silent movies "Metropolis" (I own 3 copies) and "Napoleon" (which I saw at it's Los Angeles premiere in a theater with a live orchestra) are brilliant films.

- By contrast, "Intolerance" tries to do too much with its story by combining sequences which were not that effective.
- For instance, I thought that the Catherine de Medici persecution of the Huguenots section could have been removed from the movie without hurting it's overall theme. That French story wasn't compellingly told (over acted) and it seriously hurt the pace of the film.

"Intolerance" is most effective imo when it depicted the contemporary story of the mother losing her child to the hypocritical, pro Prohibition medlers.

BB ;-)

it's just in my opinion - imo -

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You're misinformed, right?

Birth of a Nation is a racist film, Wilson was a racist, and, according to Wikipedia, Intolerance "was made in response to critics, who claimed that Griffith's 1915 epic The Birth of a Nation was racist."

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Why he made it really doesn't matter. Without this movie film history would be monumentily impacted. Intolerance was the only film that the soviet film school owned a print of. Griffith invented montage and this is where he really shows how it works. Without Griffith or Intolerance the soviet filmmakers never would have developed their theories on montage which have since become basic principles in filmmaking. If you don't like it, fine, but this is the absolute most important film made during the silent era.

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"Griffith invented montage. "

That's silly. Not that I know what exactly you're referring to with "montage" here, but I'm quite sure no modern film historian would say that anymore. Griffith greatly exaggerated (misspelled prob.) his role in the invention of filming techniques. Some directors have used the same techniques which Griffith later refined and claimed he invented them.

Also, your claim that Soviet montage wouldn't exist without "Intolerance" needs some further argumentation, because it's also much over the top.

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Listen Al I studied film in college and ALL of my professors say the same about the Soviet filmmakers using Intolerance as a model.This was 35 years ago.I've seen nothing to discredit this theory.

Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.

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Are you Craig T. Nelson's son?

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I can't speak for why this should be excluded from the IMDb Top 250, save all the reasons offered by those before me, but I can point out that, in the IMDb sub-category of the best films dating from 1910-1919, this film is, in fact, #1. An appropriately stunning distinction, I would say, for a film which, despite any possible motivations on the part of its creator, I think ought to be considered one of the true landmarks of the silent film era.

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"I don't think that's fair."

I think you are right. However, I posted the comment almost straight away after watching the film again, for the first time in about 12 or 13 years (I first saw it as a young teenager). On a second, more informed viewing I found the film to be progressively riveting as it unreeled and was overcome with awe at the staging and the pioneering use of techniques that don't even register today as they have long been established as 'standard'.

"Just because you're a movie lover doesn't mean you have to like every film that has ever had a 'classic' tag attached to it"

What I meant by this is that in today's terms, 'movie lover' by and large refers to those who habitually attend cinemas to unthinkingly lap up each successive product that rolls off the Hollywood conveyor belt. Whilst this comment may sound disparaging and aloof, I genuinely don't intend it to appear so, as they clearly enjoy going to and watching movies. I just mourn the fact that for far too many people who do treat this as an 'experience', they are seduced by the conveyor belt and are totally unaware of the cultural wealth and significance of history tied up in the years of film heritage fading so frighteningly quickly into the void.

"I just didn't find it as well-made as Birth of a Nation (racism aside) or as small and intimate as Broken Blossoms"

I beg to differ, I think whilst it is impossible (and almost criminal) to underestimate the impact of Birth Of A Nation in the development of cinema, I personally feel that in his realisation of Intolerance Griffith sought to, and was successful in, elevating his pioneering accomplishments to even greater heights. The only adjective I can fittingly, and genuinely, ascribe to the experience of Intolerance is 'monumental'.

Whilst I do not wish to appear pedantic though, I must say I feel arguing that Intolerance is not as 'small and intimate as Broken Blossoms' is a somewhat redundant comparison! But what this also makes me do is strongly resolve to view Broken Blossoms again after over 10 years, so I do thank you!

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I think by now the film has been bettered more than 250 times ;)

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I think by now the film has been bettered more than 250 times

Well, take out the crucifixion of Christ sequence, and concentrate on the other three stories. Griffith did something many just have a hard time doing. Giving us a great climax! And Griffith had three, the main ones, all at the same time, intercutting with each other, and it actually help build to their respective finally. Frankly, I can't see many doing this same thing, with the right touch the way Griffith did it.

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It WAS in the top 250 for a while but that was before all the Lord of the Rings and other blockbusters came out. Top 250 is not a static thing. The only reason I heard of Intolerance was because I was looking throught the top 250.

Did you tell LUKE..? Is THAT who you could tell??

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I think this movies is a masterpice. Maybe no much people have seen movies like this... or maybe decided see movies without a message like "Intolerance" has... but after all, is likes. Likes that you respect and we respect you... besides, i´´m sure that tere a lot of people that thinks the movie is excellent... so, dont worry about the lists.

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It's like my friends at the V for Vendetta boards have told me,"The 250 List means nothing".Movie critics and serious students of the cinema know the truth.Intolerance is one of the most important movies of all times.It showed that Hollywood could tell a story with a moral and was a masterclass for directors yet to come.









Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.

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