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What constitute as hate speech nowadays?


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So just saying 'criminal physician' or maybe it's 'breasts removed' is hate speech? Wut? Are we blurring lines now on what's acceptable these days? This is like Safe Space gone beserk.


Update:

Hate Speech
Abusive or threatening speech or writing that expresses prejudice against a particular group, especially on the basis of race, religion, or sexual orientation.


Wouldn't the left have won this award already?

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23uncletom

Uncle Tom
1. disparaging/offensive/derogatory : a Black person who is overeager to win the approval of whites (as by obsequious behavior or uncritical acceptance of white values and goals)

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Hate Speech
Abusive or threatening speech or writing that expresses prejudice against a particular group, especially on the basis of race, religion, or sexual orientation.


That is complete bollocks. Hate speech against straight White men is allowed on Twitter, even calls for violence against Whites.

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Yes, it's hate speech.

The right is trying to criminalize physicians that treat transgender people. Literally. In some US states, they're enforcing laws to jail medical stuff that treat transgender people.

Trying to prevent transgender people from getting medical care is textbook hate speech, not to say something worse.

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Getting your healthy breasts removed to satisfy a socially engineered sense of self is considered medical care?

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Gender dysphoria is a medical condition, not a "socially engineered sense of self".

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Okay, so is getting your healthy breasts removed considered medical care for THAT?

PS, not all of them have gender dysphoria. A vast number of them do it for peer pressure, attention, popularity, and just arrogantly trying to be progressive. Much like how feminists dye/shave their hair and show off their fat ugly selves on Instagram, just to announce they are not obeying social norms, or really anything resembling mature adult behavior.

More than a few of them are already grooming their own children into it, and obviously without gender dysphoria.

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Okay, so is getting your healthy breasts removed considered medical care for THAT?

Exactly. That and HRT.

PS, not all of them have gender dysphoria. A vast number of them do it for peer pressure, attention, popularity, and just arrogantly trying to be progressive.

Sure. And a vast number do because of gender dysphoria. If some fools want to transition to feel special, that's up to them. They'll get reverse dysphoria later on. People with gender dysphoria shouldn't be gatekept because others are stupid.

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Where does gender dysphoria come from, and why is that worth preserving more than a healthy functional body?

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"Treat" - nice attempt!

Giving little children hormone blockers and ruin them forever because today little Jimmy wants to wear a skirt is not treatment, it is child abuse.
There is a reason that numbers of children who suddenly think they identify as the other sex explode (5000% for girls in Germany, for example) and that reason is not something in the tap water, it's an institutionalized indoctrination campaign by the radical left that infiltrated universities, politics and the health care apparatus and is now grooming the next generation with their rainbow bullshit.

And no, I am neither transgender nor against people who are gay or whatever - but I am CERTAINLY against the radical and dangerous movement called LGBT(add whatever) and people who screw up children.

If you have a problem with that - you are the problem.

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Giving little children hormone blockers and ruin them forever because today little Jimmy wants to wear a skirt is not treatment, it is child abuse.

Nobody gives little children hormone blockers because little children don't have hormones to block. Hormone blockers are given during puberty if that kid needs some more time to decide whether he/she wanna transition. Usually, you could give hormone blockers between 14 and 16 to buy a couple of years to make up your mind.

There is a reason that numbers of children who suddenly think they identify as the other sex explode (5000% for girls in Germany, for example) and that reason is not something in the tap water, it's an institutionalized indoctrination campaign by the radical left that infiltrated universities, politics and the health care apparatus

It's not some conspiracy that requires you to wear some tin foil. Actually, it's more of a teenager fashion trend.

That doesn't change the fact that kids with gender dysphoria exist. Besides that, Elliot Page is not a teenager and that wouldn't even apply here.

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"Usually, you could give hormone blockers between 14 and 16 to buy a couple of years to make up your mind."
This is not correct.

Mayo Clinic:
"What is the typical treatment time frame?

For most children, puberty begins around ages 10 to 11, though puberty sometimes starts earlier. The effect of pubertal blockers depends on when a child begins to take the medication. GnRH analogue treatment can begin at the start of puberty to delay secondary sex characteristics. In slightly later stages of puberty, the treatment could be used to stop menstruation or erections or to prevent further development of undesired secondary sex characteristics."

"Actually, it's more of a teenager fashion trend."
Of course it is. The question is where did it come from? And the answer is in my previous post.

"That doesn't change the fact that kids with gender dysphoria exist."
I never said it would. But it is extremely rare in reality.

"Besides that, Elliot Page is not a teenager and that wouldn't even apply here."
I was never talking about Page.

But your argument seems to be "but adults".
Yeah okay, let's talk adults: clearly they can be just as brainwashed to suddenly all think they must cut body parts off.

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Hmmm, cutting healthy living tissue/organs off people?
Oh.
Cancer ravaged breasts?
No, completely healthy.
Sure I will cut them off.

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And what is ridiculous is the definition you pulled for "Uncle Tom"... Yes that seems to be what ignorant people think it means but it also goes completely counter to who Uncle Tom was in the book from which the term originated. In the book Uncle Tom's Cabin, Uncle Tom wasn't as you describe in that definition. Sambo and Quimbo would be the more accurate characters to the definition as they were the to overseers of the slaves, but because most people have never read the book you get idiots trying to pretend to be educated using the term "Uncle Tom" incorrectly.

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The book is irrelevant. Today it's ...

Un·cle Tom
noun OFFENSIVE•NORTH AMERICAN
a black man considered to be excessively obedient or servile to white people.
a person regarded as betraying their cultural or social allegiance.
"he called moderates Uncle Toms"

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The book is the origin of the name, it is very relevant and people thinking that it is offensive to call a black man and uncle Tom are simply showing their ignorance. Apparently that would include you.

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The definition of "hate speech," like the definition of any gibberish spewed by the robotic masses, changes from moment to moment.

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The legal definitions and the common parlance are very different and get conflated, and I think that's where problems arise.

The former is an incredibly high bar - or non-existent in the US - while the latter really depends on which socio-cultural groups one belongs to.

The conflation happens when a group defines "hate speech" as having certain hallmarks or qualities and then tries to apply that definition to the realm of jurisprudence.

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should "white lives matter" be hate speech/

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I'm a big believer in "more speech", so I'd say no.

I'm not sure what I'd think of somebody using the phrase "White Lives Matter," however.

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considering that whites are the global minority n1 with heavily declining populations, it would make sense to say it. whites might be history in 5 generations and find their place amongst other eradicated subspecies of humans
its only the white mans system that allows him to survive. and thats crumbling

our cultures/races still fight the evolutionary war. and blacks are pretty high up there

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Anything tweeted by a democrat...Fuck Em.

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Hate speech doesn't exist, you can tell by the fact that it makes no grammatical sense. The correct term would be "hateful speech", Since hate is an emotion, human emotions have now been made illegal. Of course it is impossible to prove what emotion someone had when they said something, so in practice it is the perception of the injured party that decides if you committed the crime or not. So you just need to avoid saying anything that a bipolar snowflake might perceive as having a negative emotion, and you will be fine.

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the truth. as always

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