Did you see this guy's discussion with Cathy Newman on Channel 4 last week?

He chatted the next day in The Netherlands, not related but worth a watch if you like his thing; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgcoHmgqLBE

:)

Anyone who thinks she won is an utter moron. All she did for the entire interview was say, "So you're saying..." and then go on to completely misrepresent what he actually said.

It was embarrassing.

I just watched this. He made her look petulant and silly.

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