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No kids, no husband: Loser


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Her whole image is that of a "Boss Babe" but it clearly won't land her a husband.

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Not having kids or a husband doesn't make a woman a loser. Maybe she doesn't want kids or a husband. Taylor Swift is hugely successful and definitely not a loser in any way, shape or form.

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Sure being unmarried makes her a loser. Why? This 12 second video demonstrates it better than I can explain it:

https://youtu.be/AkK2j8wsBL8?t=28

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💯👍💯👍💯👍💯👍

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Jealous much?

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What age are you?

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What age are you?

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He asked you first.

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What for?

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It doesn’t matter. If someone asks you a question, then you are not allowed to ask them the same question as a reply. When this occurs, 9 out of 10 times the the original question asker will follow up with “I asked you first.”

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Well if the person expects an answer to a non-sequitor question, that person should explain why.

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Maybe Skywarp will shed some light on why he thinks it’s relevant.

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Skywarp is a snobby hypocrite who thinks that everyone else who replies to a stupid moviechat post is an adolescent, yet somehow he's exempt from that criticism.

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I am wondering because it is surely only adolescents who would engage in such puerile, pointless, banal conversations on an immature waste of time thread.

I am aware of the irony that I too have commented, so you can save that jibe.

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Yet here you are, and even editing your previous posts to reply to my comebacks. Maybe I should post more about metaphysics like you. After all, that's why people come to entertainment sites, isn't it?

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Yet here you are,

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Oh no you didn't did you? What foolishness! I already pointed out the irony - so this part of rejoinder is toothless.

Jeez, can't you see that, can't you see the obvious especially when you were guided?

Now that is frustrating, that means you have confirmed my worst fears, I engaged with somebody of a such lack of IQ and subtlety that dialogue is now all but worthless.

Someone had to get dirty to point out the idiocy. That was my cross to bear. My good deed for the day. You don't have to bring it up. Rather think of a suitable gift for highlighting your neolithic incompetence. I have speeded up your cognitive evolution by several centuries.





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Maybe I should post more about metaphysics like you

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Erm, maybe best not. You have already demonstrated your level and your maturity. I think metaphysics are a little highbrow for you. I fear, with good reason, you would only make more of a fool of yourself.

Best stick to "I know you are but what am I" Taylor Swift fripperies.





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and even editing your previous posts to reply to my comebacks.

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What on EARTH are you talking about? Why would I edit my comments for the sake of your feeble comebacks? No, the truth is I have just logged in. Now I discover you are - while seething with a feckless rage - now following me around my previous comments as some type of obsession. An obsession because someone dared ask you a question, because someone dared point out that you were engaging in a pathetic Trolling post. No, I have edited nothing, your accusations actually highlight your misguided state of mind. You couldn't even keep your impotent rage to one message board, it was too volatile to be contained.

I asked you you age to satisfy my curiosity. You see if you were a naïve adolescent you could be forgiven for such behaviour. If not...

Dismissed

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She's only 33. Give her time. Celebrities live on a different timeline than the rest of us.

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No one wants to stick around with her because they know her next album will be full of songs dissing them.

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that's what i say

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Not just that, but I don't even recall a long-term boyfriend.

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Seems to be a serial dater. Always with someone but never for very long.

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She's been with the same dude for like 6 years.

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She's been with Joe Alwyn since 2016.

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I appreciate the OP was simply a stab at the singer but it is an interesting philosophical question.

Is it better to die having no one close who will truly know you and through whom the spirit of what you really were will live on? Or is it better to die not really being known closely by anyone but known to millions?

I guess that's the reality of the choice celebrities who forgo family / relationships in pursuit of career face.

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I can appreciate what you're saying.
I see it as there is no right or wrong way to go about life. Some people (such as the OP) seem to attach their own values and priorities onto other people. That's extremely short sighted.

I have a sibling who is completely career-orientated and is fulfilled by her success and the opportunities that affords her, and the thought of having a family just isn't for her.
I, on the other hand, have a decent career but I'm mentally checked out of it at quitting time. I have a family life that fulfills me.

Neither one is right, neither one is wrong. We both serve a purpose that fulfills us in different ways. Same can be said for Swift.

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Depending on how old your sister is, it will be interesting to know if she continues to hold that attitude into her later years.

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She's late 30s. She's committed to it, as she has always had this attitude since childhood.
Any family sense of fulfillment is satisfied sufficiently by getting to spend time with my kids.

Her and I have talked about our different lives and mutually agree this is who we are, and there is nothing wrong with either one.

Also... I think if we look around us, we can all agree there are PLENTY of people that have families that clearly shouldn't.

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People do change as they age. I'm over 40 and have never felt ready to get married, but that doesn't mean I never will.

It will be interesting to see if your sister starts to feel differently when she gets to 50+. At the very least she might like to have a husband.

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Just as likely somebody who gets into their 60s may regret having settled down and not experiencing more of the world for themselves. It's a horse a piece, and what you say about what she might feel is completely speculative, nothing more.

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Well speaking of the future is always speculative. Only God knows it.

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"The future is always speculative. Only God knows it."

EXACTLY. So take that statement and apply it to everything weve just talked about. Now explain why we would be so presumptuous about one's choices and regrets? ESPECIALLY if you view it as predetermined by a higher being.

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I don't view it as being pre-determined. Just because God knows the future doesn't mean that human beings don't make choices. I don't believe that God created puppets on strings.

In any case, you seem to be getting defensive. Nothing I said was meant to be an attack. I only said that it will be interesting to see if your sister's views change over time. Is it somehow wrong to simply think that a human being might come to feel differently about something as they age?

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God knows the future does in fact mean it's predetermined,at least from God's perspective. That means you have the illusion of choices that God already knew you were going to make.

There is always the possibility of people changing. That applies to every human including those who decided to start families. You single out my sister in your curiosity because you assume she is more likely to have regrets. The very nature of your speculation is of course going to lead to defensiveness.

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I don't believe that God knowing what choices you'll make means that you only have the illusion of choice. If I through some means of precognition were able to view my neighbor robbing bank, that doesn't mean that free will doesn't exist. It only means that through special, preternatural means I was able to foreknow where my neighbor's choices and decisions would lead him.

To say that all things are predetermined by God makes God the author of evil, and he is not. It also means that even this conversation we are having right now is not really a choice that you and I made. I think we are very much choosing to continue this interaction, though.

As for your sister, it doesn't even have to mean that she will have regrets (though it could). It could also mean that at 50-years-old she decides that she is ready for something different than what she's had the previous 49 years.

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Sure. But you didn't extend that curiosity to anyone except my sister. You never considered the untold numbers of people that think they should settle down, have 2-3 kids, but then abandon their spouse and their kids because they realized that was not the life they wanted.

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Well you story was the only one that interested me. Therefore, it was the only one I replied to.

Also, I'll point out that I don't think having "a family" has to mean having kids. It could just mean having a spouse, someone to eventually grow old with.

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My point still stands.

Having somebody to grow old with is desirable to people like you and me.
But why do you think it has to be the same for everyone?

Again, that's very short sighted.

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I would welcome you pointing me to the place where I said it has to be the same for everyone.

Anyway, I was just trying to engage in a conversation, not get into an argument. No offense was intended. I'm going to dip out now.

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I don't know if I agree. Being in my 40's and not being able to have kids is more of an issue than it was in my 20's and 30's. After retirement either my wife or I will die first. Without family, that leads to a lonely death. My grandmother is 96. She outlived her friends and siblings. Without her kids, grandkids, and great grandkids, she wouldn't have had such a good existence. That's why I disagree. Work and career are great, but eventually it ends without consideration of who you are.

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But that's you, and what you value. It's exactly what I'm accusing the OP of doing: projecting your values and priorities onto other people.

Not everyone thinks the same, not everyone loves the same things as you, not everyone values the same things as you, not everyone wants those same things out of life.

My sister having traveled all over the world at will and experiencing things I will probably never be able to do has meaning to her. She accepts that, and is at peace with that.... also enjoys that.

Now bring it around to Swift. No matter what you say about her music, she has left her mark on the world. That's fulfilling to her. She still has many options in life. She can quit at any time.

You can't see the ridiculousness of labeling her a loser?

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Yeah, I've seen that, grandmother's friends as well as my parent'sfriends. It's not pretty after 65. The career, travel, money, and friends weren't much at the end. We can disagree. Please, have your sister prove me wrong. That would be wonderful. After seeing how it pans out, I don't wish it on anyone.

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But it's not about my sister and it's not about your grandma, it's not even about Swift.

There are an infinite number of paths you can chose to take in life, and not one way is the "correct way." Its your life, you get to choose.

To try and have a say on how other people chose to live is what seems wrong.

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You must. Sorry, but without saying corrective guidance, you are setting people up for more failure. You don't let a drunk loved one drink into oblivion. You step up and correct the. So it's fine regardless. Plus the multiple paths is just a cop out. Life is about procuring a future. Without offspring, best you get is a short lived legacy.

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"Without offspring, what you get is a short lived legacy."

So what? Some people live their lives not for some legacy, but to enjoy the moments they get to live within the confines of that life. They could care less about who remembers them. Why do you put so much value on your "legacy" and why does anyone else who is not you have to feel the same?

How much do you think the average person knows about their lineage beyond two previous generations?

Quite frankly, I don't think you have the capability of thinking beyond your own bubble of your own values.

To have your sole purpose here just to carry on some legacy is one way and all, but explain why that's the only way?

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I can’t wait for the reply.

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The reply was rather quite disappointing....

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I agree. It’s a bit of a strange outlook.

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Your legacy is the fact that they have lives, not their memory of you. "Everyone has their own way" is just a cop out. Your sister is living a dead end. Same goes for everyone who doesn't or can't have a family (this includes my wife and I). It's just a fact. You may like her choice, but that doesn't change the fact that once she's gone, there's nothing left of her life. All the generations before lose the legacy as well. Nothing says, "thanks great great great etc... grandma for all suffering and sacrifice. I'm just going to dedicate my life to emails, meetings and paperwork rather than continue our family to see what other amazing things they can do. I'll just retire and everything our family has done will dissappear. But hey, I got a couple awards, a plaque, and a 401k out of the deal."

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Lol.

This is the most narrow-minded, simple-minded take I've ever heard.

Again, you're just projecting what you think is important onto other people. It's quite frankly absurd.

I can't further this conversation who can't see that within themselves. Good day.

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Wrong.

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No one likes bran.

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Everyone likes Swift.

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We are all Swiftys at heart.

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