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"Cherokee Nation Slaps Down Elizabeth Warren’s Claim of Tribal Ancestry"

posted 6 years ago by Destinata (2600)
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Cherokee Nation Secretary of State Chuck Hoskin Jr said in the statement:

“A DNA test is useless to determine tribal citizenship. Current DNA tests do not even determine whether a person’s ancestors were indigenous to North or South America…Using a DNA test to lay claim to the Cherokee Nation or any tribal nation, even vaguely, is inappropriate and wrong. It makes a mockery out of DNA tests and its legitimate uses while also dishonoring legitimate tribal governments and their citizens, whose ancestors are well documented and whose heritage is proven. Senator Warren is undermining tribal interests with her continued claims of tribal heritage.”

https://heavy.com/news/2018/10/cherokee-nation-elizabeth-warren-rebuke/

If wearing clothes similar to those of another culture is considered cultural appropriation, then what is actually appropriating a culture not one's own? And who will the Democrats/liberals/news media side with -- Sen. Warren, or the Cherokee Nation?

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 6 years ago

I'm not getting your criticism when at the end of your very article Warren provides a clarification.

Warren Said She ‘Respects the Distinction’ Between DNA and Tribal Affiliation
I won't sit quietly for @realDonaldTrump's racism, so I took a test. But DNA & family history has nothing to do with tribal affiliation or citizenship, which is determined only – only – by Tribal Nations. I respect the distinction, & don't list myself as Native in the Senate.

— Elizabeth Warren (@elizabethforma) October 15, 2018

After the Cherokee Nation issued its rebuke, Warren went on Twitter to clarify what she was talking about. The Massachusetts Senator said she agrees that there is a lot more to tribal affiliation than just genetics. She said she “respects the distinction” between ancestry and true membership in a tribe, and she stressed that she doesn’t list herself as Native in the Senate.

Warren said that she took the DNA test and published her results because she didn’t want to “sit quietly” for what she called President Trump’s “racism.”

Warren is making no claims about tribal heritage or affiliation to Cherokee Nation. So what is your point?

[–] Satan2016 (23309) 6 years ago

Of course she has! Cherokee or Delaware.

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 6 years ago

Yes my mistake on heritage, but not on affiliation. That's what she issued clarification over, she had never claimed tribal affiliation which means the criticism by Cherokee Nation was made wrongfully.

That makes Destinata's question about "cultural appropriation" irrelevant since she had never tried to appropriate Cherokee culture. My point stands.

[–] Thrillhouse (1509) 6 years ago

Where did anybody get the idea she was Native American?

[–] AtomicReturns (1252) 6 years ago

Warren is making no claims about tribal heritage or affiliation to Cherokee Nation. So what is your point?

Plus, Trump was the one who issued the challenge (why must he make everything so small into a "controversy" like some reality show?). He claimed Warren did not have a drop of Native American blood like she claimed, but she does.

And now he has to pony up $1 million to charity like he promised, but he won't.

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 6 years ago

Great point.

But now that she's proven her ethnicity, should he continue to insist on the pocohontas slur I don't see how anyone can even plausibly deny it's racist.

But somehow I'm pretty sure that won't get in the way of him continuing to refer to her that way when it's such a crowd pleaser with his base.

[–] B1cKsurN (14760) 6 years ago

The dna they compared to hers was South American, and its only a possible.

[–] Rorikon (16386) 6 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqYUZR-N_tk

'If O.C. Sarah Smith were fully Native American, that would make Warren up to 1/32nd native. But the generational range based on the ancestor that the report identified suggests she’s between 1/64th and 1/1,024th Native American. The report notes there could be missed ancestors.'

Lol, I don't see how that's strong evidence. That aside, I'm pretty sure I got native ancestry as well dating back eon generations. Heck, I might even have Alaskan Salmon because my great great great grandmother once ate a salmon. Should I go make a statement that I too have Native American heritage? Anyway, since she proved she was 0.0001% Native American, Trump owes her some moolah.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cZ4vFZ8A_Y

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 6 years ago

WTF?

Where are you getting this 1 ten thousand of one percent crap?

Your math is all fucked up Rory.

1/64 of 100% = 1.5%
1/1024 of 100% = 0.1 % (rounding up from 0.0976)

So even assuming the smallest number according to that report would be one tenth of one percent. Not one ten thousand of one percent!

But according to this NYTimes report her genetic makeup was identified as 95% European ancestry, with 5% identified as Native American:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/15/science/elizabeth-warren-native-american.html

[–] Rorikon (16386) 6 years ago

I know, I exaggerated it since it was so miniscule in the Boston Globe report I read that it's pretty much a non-issue. He still owes her $1 million in said charity hence the video I provided below.

Update:
Actually I am not so sure now. Trump said if she was Native American which I think most would think like an actual Native American not 0.1-5% which is basically nothing. Still 95-99% White, lulz.

[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

If you look at the background of the supposed scientist she used he is associated with ancestry.com, which is the same BS company that has provide identical twins with DNA analysis that shows different ancestors for each, that has been shown to send different reports for the same person's DNA when the person sends it in at a different time. Ancestry.com and all these other BS companies are this centuries psychic hotlines. They don't provide real information just entertainment and if you bother to read their disclaimers they even admit it in the fine print.

[–] Destinata (2600) 4 years ago

"Anyway, since she proved she was 0.0001% Native American, Trump owes her some moolah."

😂

[–] liscarkat (16496) 4 years ago

It's funny, how every white person who claims to be Native American is Cherokee. There are hundreds of tribes across the U.S.A., but it's always Cherokee.

[–] Destinata (2600) 4 years ago

Not always. I had a friend who was part Creek. If you come from Oklahoma, there's a good chance you have a bit of one of the Five Tribes -- Cherokee, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Seminole, and Creek. But the Cherokees seemed to get around the most. I'm part Cherokee...James Garner was part Cherokee. There were/are a lot of us.

[–] liscarkat (16496) 4 years ago

We're all part Cherokee! Cheers!