Enough! There's no controversy

Well my problem is that Margot Robbie doesnt look any younger than Olivia to me, and when I first saw her in the film I thought the actress was in her early 30s, I remember being shocked when I found out her age... Robbie looks quite old for her "supposed" age. Hollywood is ageist.... Because the 2 actresses LOOK very much the same age.

We agree to disagree. And I'll guarantee you're one of the few that would say this.
Sorry, but Wilde looks 10 years older than Robbie.
Again, the role for the mistress called for someone who was younger. It's an absolute FACT that Robbie is younger. The character was supposed to be right out of High School.I'll also guarantee you - IN PERSON - WITHOUT perfect film lighting, Robbie looks younger. She was 21, Wilde was 28.

Leo's wife in the film was 28. I'm also sure this was a factor since they wanted some age distinction between his wife and his mistress.

And isn't it just possible that they said she was too old for the part as a way to let her down gently? Maybe she gave a horrible audition and they didn't want to say "she stunk". They may have been trying to let her down easy saying, "You were great, but the role is for someone younger and they feel you're a bit too old."

I never said Hollywood isn't ageist. I'm saying this is not an example of it.

Leo's Wife was 28. Clearly if they felt 28 was too old then they would've cast someone different in that role.

There's also a different definition the filmmakers could've been using for "old". Wilde's been around forever. Robbie was a relative unknown. She was a fresh face. Perhaps they wanted someone "new" instead of someone who's been around aka "old".

To believe that Wilde was discriminated against would question the character of Martin Scorsese, one of the greatest film directors of all time, one of the incredible artists to ever do the job. Along with Ellen Lewis, the casting director, who's reputation is flawless.

The role called for a girl right out of high school. Wilde was 28. And I think the filmmakers saw a 28 year old when she walked in. They never said "28" is too old. They said "28" is too old to play a girl out of high school.

Well, I'm definitely not one of few. If you go on the Margot Robbie message board there are numerous threads about her age, a lot of people think she lies about her age and that she's actually in her 30s. I think generally people think she looks MUCH older than somebody born in 1990.
I think Hollywood is incredibly ageist. If it came out tomorrow that Margot Robbie was actually 30 or 32 i believe her career would take a real hit.
and yes it's very possible that they may have wanted somebody fresh and new, I just think that if they were looking to cast somebody that looks like they're fresh out of high school, Margot Robbie does not fit that casting whatsoever, she looked fully grown and all woman, and she certainly didn't look much younger than Leo, and looked older than the first wife in the movie.
But yes, we can agree to disagree on how old these two women look.

The only point I'm trying to make is that I don't think actors ages should be public knowledge. II think actors should be able to audition for whatever age they LOOK not ARE. And I guarantee you if we didn't know how old Robbie was and we didn't know how old Wilde was they would have equal shots at equal roles. No 2 people age the same way so it's really unfair to put an actress in a box because on paper she is over 30 or 40 or whatever.

I don't disagree about the "less we know" theory. Why is Daniel Day Lewis so great? He is a great actor, but I think part of it is we don't see him on the town or on TMZ. We know very little about him.

I guess what set me off on this one is that no one in Hollywood thinks 28 is old. Yes, Ageism exists, but this wasn't an example of it. An example of Ageism is when 29 year old Catherine Zeta Jones is cast opposite as love interest to almost 70 year old Sean Connery. When 52 year old Deniro's love interest in HEAT is 30 year old Amy Brenneman. Or 50 year old Pacino's love interest in Carlito's Way is 27 year old Penelope Ann Miller. That's ageism.

For the sake of argument, if what you are saying is true, and Robbie in real life looks just as old as Wilde, why would they say Wilde's too old? They clearly knew her age before meeting with her. It's on her IMDB page. So this isn't about the number. It's about how she looked.

Fair?

If this was just about age as a number, then they would've refused to meet with her.

That's all.

The real Naomi (her name was Nadine) was 28/29 when she met Jordan Belfort. And she wasn't all that naive either - quite the opposite: a cunning seductress. But truthfully, Hollywood can take as many liberties as they want, so perhaps they really wanted a younger babe to illustrate the difference between the first and second wife, who was the trophy wife.

But I don't think it is PC nonsense to question that Hollywood hold actors and actresses to different standards, and that these standards are often less fair to actresses. Leonardo DiCaprio was a decade too old to play the character (and the filmmakers caked him in a lot of makeup to conceal this), but Olivia Wilde is the same age as the character she is auditioning for and gets called too old. Smells fishy and blaming political correctness is an attempt to mute the conversation.

Margot is 6 younger than Olivia, FYI.

Margot is 7 years younger than Olivia. At the time the film was being made, Olivia was 28 and Margot was 21.

There is a SIGNIFICANT difference between the look of a 28 year old and the look of a 21 year old.

No one said she was "old" at 28. She was too old for the role. The role called for someone young and naive, just out of high school.

Margot looks far older than her actual age. I do believe she's lying about her age. Olivia also looks older than her age.

And you say it isn't sexism. Leo was 38 and Belfort was 26. 38 playing 26 is okay for males, but 28 playing 23-28 is not okay for females?

Leo could not pass as 26, yet he still got cast (yeah, I know he's Leo).

I do believe Leo had something to do with it. In real life, he won't touch a female past 25 years of age. It's likely he's requesting younger (on paper) female co-stars.

Kill your darlings

Scorsese has cast women of all different ages to play in his movies. Hollywood has ageism, yes but Scorsese isn't one of the directors who do this. All of the actresses that have been in his films throughout his career prove this. He actually doesn't typically pick the cookie cutter "hot chicks" for his movies. He picks the women who suit the role better. Robbie has more of that hot blonde, bimbo-ish look than Olivia does. She looks more cookie cutter than Olivia who has more of a mature face and mannerisms. Robbie just fit the role better than Olivia would have.

I don't disagree there's ageism. I just disagree that ageism exist in the case for Olivia Wilde. If ANY AGEISM was present it was with the wife character. Chrstin was 28 when they made the film, 10+ years older than Leo. Why didn't they cast a girl closer to Leo's age? Rachel McAdams?

That's a better argument then Wilde has with Margot.

If we're going to get REAL technical, then Margot Robbie is 6 years & 4 months younger than Wilde. Margot born: Jul 2, 1990
Wilde: Mar 10, 1984. I still contend that they were looking for someone YOUNGER for the role of Naomi and they weren't calling Wilde "old". She was just too old for the vision they had for the character.

I hate when they team up 50+ year old guys with 20+ year old girls. Yes, that stuff does happen (See jon Lovitz & Jessica Lowndes), but it's not the norm.

And I guess I have faith in an artist like Scorsese that he wouldn't cast someone unworthy and he thought only of the best interest of the film artistically.