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Evidence that may vindicate Paul (regarding his relationships)


Okay, so the alleged claim is that Aubrianna Atwell and Paul started dating when she was 16, considering she is 28 now. This is given from an interview source who merely stated they met a dozen years ago when she was in "modelling school" (I had no idea modelling school even existed but nevermind), they did not actually quote her saying the word dozen, they merely stated the word itself, even if she used the word dozen, she may have used it flippantly. Dozen can sometimes be used colloquially to mean an unspecified large number as in "I've done that a dozen times" or "We met a dozen years ago" and not always twelve exact. I think people were reading into it too literally assuming that she actually was counting the number of years in her head when she was giving the interview.

Now here comes some evidence I have collated that might actually vindicate Paul at least regarding Aubrianna anyway.

Paul's known girlfriend prior to Aubrianna Atwell was Bliss Ellis. He met her in Texas when he was filming Varsity Blues and she was a 19-20 year old college student (she graduated HS in 1996). He was 24 in April 1998 (which is when IMDb states the film was made).

Here is a picture I found of Paul with Bliss from October 2001 outside a hotel in New York. The year he was supposed to have started dating Aubrianna Atwell, he was still with Bliss Ellis.

http://imagecollect.com/picture/paul-walker-henry-mcgee-photo-1925582/ archival-pictures-globe-photos-38478

There are also pictures of him walking around with her in an outdoor shopping centre in Paris but I do not know the year they were taken. It looks like it might have been taken from 2002-2003. Upon further search of her, I found a magazine clipping on a "Where is she now?" piece with a cut out of them from those photos. I'm not sure the year it was released, but it says that she met her husband in March 2004 shortly after breaking up with Paul. That implies they were probably still dating into 2003. By that time, Paul was 29-30 and Bliss was 24-25. Around this time there were rumors of him with Jessica Alba.

http://oi44.tinypic.com/sw2tc1.jpg

The only evidence showing Paul dating Aubrianna is that photo taken of them from 2004 in the Czech Republic where he was filming Running Scared. She was 19 then.

Now onto to Jasmine.

The only "proof" that Paul dated Jasmine when she was 16, is a quote from Star Magazine. "The mag also claims the couple started dating when Jasmine was just 16". It was from the same report that stated they were engaged. The engagement rumors were refuted. Ryan Seacrest actually called Paul up to talk about it and he laughed it off. I can't find that video anymore.

http://www.justjared.com/2009/02/05/paul-walker-jasmine-pilchard-gosne ll-engaged/

Here is an article study on which tabloids are most likely to make *beep* up. It is actually relevant to the timeframe when the report about them was made back in 2009 because it analyzed stories from 2009 to 2010.

Guess which magazine came last?

http://gawker.com/5638480/which-tabloids-lie-the-most

Star

9% Cover Accuracy, 12% Overall Accuracy

With less than 10 percent of the stories appearing on its covers turning out to be true, Star tied for last place on our list. Although it had some successes—such as correctly reporting Eminem's reconciliation with Kim Mathers and Tea Leoni's reconciliation with David Duchovny—myriad Star stories turned out to be false, including at least 25 celebrity pregnancy takes and several stories about Tom Cruise and Kate Holmes breaking up.

Food for thought before more people keep calling him pedophile even though the correct term, if it was actually true, is ephebophile.

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For God's sake,let it go.Stop feeding the trolls.It's been discussed to death and the man has been dead for almost 2 months.Paul Walker was someone who didn't always follow the rules,he followed his heart.Besides I know plenty of young girls who dated older guys and their lives weren't ruined or anything.Would Jasmine and Aubrianna be happier people right now had they been sleeping with 18 years-olds instead of Paul?Probably not,espcially the Aubrianna girl as she was still so fond of Paul.

I keep reading his friends'facebook or other blog comments'about Paul(none of his friends were in the acting business)and I also see is how much he was loved and how deeply he'll be missed.Those are the real feelings,if people want to know what Paul was really like they should listen to the people who knew him instead of judging him or calling him names.He didn't hurt anyone,he had great relationships with all those around him.The rest is BS.

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vivienmay, did you actually read my post or did you just see a huge chunk of text, roll your eyes and decided to point your mouse at the reply button and proceed with your completely irrelevant comments?

What have the trolls got to feed on, if I am presenting them with counter evidence that negates their point? I have posted a picture of Paul with his ex girlfriend and a magazine scan that suggests he was still dating her through until 2003 as well as some article that investigates the reputation of the tabloid that reported on Jasmine and Paul's false engagement which also mentioned the year they allegedly first dated?

Would you rather I not present this evidence that actually DEFENDS Paul because the issue has been discussed ad naseum despite the fact, in all the threads I've read, noone (not even a fan) has actually decided to investigate or find any basis to the claims that might actually vindicate Paul?

I'm sorry but you need to realize that people are going to bring it up whether diplomatically or in a trollish manner and this won't stop now, people will be coming back, I'm not sure if you know how message boards work, there is no statute of limitations on when people can discuss things. Telling me to let it go isn't going to stop actual trolls from coming back so I'm presenting evidence that will diffuse that, so why get pissed off?

I've actually avoided most of the threads where this issue has been discussed because I was not sure what to think so for you to tell me to "let it go" go back and check all those threads or my post history, I have not actually ever posted on any one of them, so I wasn't even "holding on" in the first place. I took a step back decided to look to see if any of it was true and have only now decided to address my opinion whilst trolls, fans and critics fought it out back then usually ending in discussion about the maturity level of a 16 year old, the legality of laws in California etc.

This whole "it's been talked about so much", maybe because I haven't visited his board every single day it hasn't felt like a cliche to talk about this, but I am talking about it now that I have actually found stuff that overturns the status quo.

You should be grateful as a fellow fan of Paul that I found this so we actually have a leg to stand on when it comes to defending him. You are acting as though Paul might be guilty regardless and how we should focus on him being a good and loving person, well he might actually have been a good and loving person who didn't actually do the things people have accused him of!

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Star

9% Cover Accuracy, 12% Overall Accuracy

With less than 10 percent of the stories appearing on its covers turning out to be true, Star tied for last place on our list. Although it had some successes—such as correctly reporting Eminem's reconciliation with Kim Mathers and Tea Leoni's reconciliation with David Duchovny—myriad Star stories turned out to be false, including at least 25 celebrity pregnancy takes and several stories about Tom Cruise and Kate Holmes breaking up.


That level of accuracy may even be overstated. These mags have had Jennifer Aniston pregnant and decorating a nursery ever since she broke up with Brad. I'm sure these trashy magazines had a special hatred for Paul because he refused to play their games. He didn't live the Hollywood lifestyle, date (and breakup with) a different wannabe starlet every week and he mostly hung out with regular people. Truth and morality don't exist in their universe, because that doesn't sell magazines. So, they had to find a reason to try to make people dislike him.


"All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others" - Orwell, Animal Farm

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And he damns with faint praise...


"All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others" - Orwell, Animal Farm

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Ambiena: vivienmay, did you actually read my post or did you just see a huge chunk of text, roll your eyes and decided to point your mouse at the reply button and proceed with your completely irrelevant comments? I applaud you for taking the time to present what seems to be undeniable evidence to support your position. Most people are either too lazy or do not have the intellectual capabilities to do so. They would rather go on irrelevant rants and call anybody who has different opinions "a troll". It takes very little effort and the sheep effect will ensure that others will side with them.
Ambiena:You should be grateful as a fellow fan of Paul that I found this so we actually have a leg to stand on when it comes to defending him. You are acting as though Paul might be guilty regardless and how we should focus on him being a good and loving person, well he might actually have been a good and loving person who didn't actually do the things people have accused him of!Your well supported post can show that PW's interest in dating 16 year old girls was actually a one time occurrence and not a pattern. Will PW's fans on this board point to your post to disprove future attacks on the subject? Probably not. They think burying their head in the sand is a more persuasive tactic.



doublethemiracle: I'm sure these trashy magazines had a special hatred for Paul because he refused to play their games. He didn't live the Hollywood lifestyle, date (and breakup with) a different wannabe starlet every week and he mostly hung out with regular people.Any serious person would take that kind of argument as nothing more than "conspiracy theory" rambling. You don't disprove a claim with logical fallacies. If you want to show that he didn't date so and so, you prove it with relevant and undeniable evidence. Would you go to a court of law and base your defense or prosecution with something like that?

Hey your honor, I didn't steal this car because:
- my friends have nothing but nice things to say about me
- I love nature conservation and do charity work so I'm innocent of the charges
- this is a smear campaign by underground groups to ruin my reputation

Your honor, this man is guilty of motor vehicle theft because:
- he has been charged with trespassing in the past
- his ex-girlfriends say he's a jerk
- he hates dogs and babies

Do you now realize how stupid that sounds?


BTW, would you care to go back to that thread and answer my inquiry?
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0908094/board/flat/224623378

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No Pho. You know for a guy who acts like he is a know it all you sure are dumb lol dumb dumb dumb.

People are not branded as troll just because they take the time to look things up. And by the way,even If one did take the time to look things up, it doesn't mean they are not a troll.

You waste your energies at this Forum trolling as you do. A fan I can understand. But you? You are puré troll. You are not a fan. You are unfriendly to fans. You are rude to other people who have intelligent ideas and thoughts. You are being called out as a troll. Not anyone else, just you. And If you cannot figure out why then you are dumber than we all think or you are just playing stupid.

Sock puppet thread. I love you so much Pho lol.

I don't think any extrapolation can be made on what is seen in the magazines or on Internet. However If the people whose character is being question were interviewed and said these things were true then I'd make a theory or a conclusión. Still even then I would not go on a mission at some movie Forum trying to make a fool of myself with my judgments of other people nor would I bash celebrity fans just for their thoughts and feelings.

But I want to Thank anyone who comes to this Forum with any thought or opinion, well researched or not. If you are cool to others and don't make this Forum a target for Paul bashing or If you don't bash Paul's fans then you are a respectable and decent Human being. You're cool.


There is nothing wrong with having differing opinions or even not liking Paul Walker. However most people who do not like him or his work don't hang out here for months playing condescending to Paul's fans nor do they go on a mission of attempting to dirty a celebrity or his fans. The definition of troll is befitting of those who earn its title.

But trolls yelp so loud when you call them out. Also everyone, trolls play a quote game with everything you say. They also will copy links to their own unanswered questions. They will attempt to cause angst by using these methods. Only a fool will allow themselves to be baited in that manner by a troll. You see the bait but don't bite. If you do bite then you are attempting to befriend a troll or are just plain foolish of their game. Other than that consider that profilers here will view those reponses as a sock puppet responding to their own threads.

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When it comes to PW, I'm neither a fan or a hater. I have only questioned his interest in a teenage girl once on this board; wondering what a grown man would find in common with a girl in high school. I never called him a pedophile or other names. And only criticized his acting once on the basis of a somewhat poorly-written script (Hours). Most of my posts concerned the details of accident itself.

Regarding most of his fans, at least here on IMDB, only movielove75 has shown to be level-headed. The OP of this thread too for that matter. You and many others are nothing but enamored fan girls who have nothing interesting to say. This is a public forum, not a paid-membership PW fan club. Furthermore, I don't subscribe to political correctness so if somebody says something completely stupid or wrong, I will point it out. You call that rude or being a troll; I see it as a wake up call for people who have been coddled into being morons.

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