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MATRIX 4-5-6 (New trilogy)


Lana, we need to see another Matrix trilogy, made by you and your brother!

Let's talk ideas :

- Prequel trilogy that tells the story of how the machines went from slaves to masters, about the war and the creation of the Matrix

- Prequel trilogy telling the stories of the 5 other Ones, Neo’s predecessors (Merovingian, Seraph may be previous Ones)

- Sequel trilogy of how the peace didn't last that long, as peace is not a natural human situation and the humans tried to regain dominion over machines and the Earth

- Sequel trilogy of how the machines and humans achieve peace, restore the earth, and finally set out on the path to their mutual potential as a coexisting civilization.

- Sequel trilogy to serve as an expansion on the original trilogy, revealing that there are multiple Matrix programs and multiple human cities (multiple zions) on separate parts of the world and that the Neo’s matrix covered 10% of the free/enslaved humans.

- Sequel trilogy about the solution to the conflict between machines and humans, by merging of AI and humanity into a single, unified race of superhuman cyborgs




Another direct sequel to Revolutions would be the continuation of Sati's sub-plot from the original trilogy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXBXD44Ymww 5:08 to 5:41.

The Oracle accepted to be betrayed by Rama Kandra and his wife (who sold her termination codes for her appearance to the Merovingian, who attacked her and destroyed her old appearance, probably thinking he would delete her entirely) in order to ultimately "obtain" Sati. In fact, the Oracle said she "had to", as she foresees that Sati will play an important role in both worlds in the future.

Do you guys think the Oracle would want to try to replace the program of the Architect with Sati, as the Matrix's new Architect? I mean, Sati "architects" a nice sunrise for Neo, but she has no ability to program the Matrix.

Or maybe the Oracle would want Sati to be the next Oracle, as in the original trilogy the Oracle teaches Sati how to "make cookies", a metaphoric way of showing the Oracle is transferring knowledge from her to Sati.



Do you have other creative ideas? Please share.

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The matrix sequels were not entirely their ideas, which is why they cannot surpass it. Unlike Spielberg, Cameron and Nolan, the Wachowski's have not created anything better since the 1st Matrix. They need to get back to their original source of ideas. They know who he is.

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nolan is BAD at action scenes.

SIR RIDLEY SCOTT, EMMA WATSON, HENRY CAVILL, SCOTT FREE, THE FOREVER WAR(3D), etc....

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> nolan is BAD at action scenes.

... and everything else.

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Yeah... if you don't like things that are good.

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Well, "good" is highly subjective and I don't have to remind you of the old adage of the million flies, right?

I do not only find Nolan's Batman movies to be hugely disappointing, but I also find The Prestige to be hugely inferior to The Illusionist which came out at the same time. Tbh. I also don't really find Inception to be that good.

And I also don't like that in all his movies his pretentiousness and arrogance is quite visible. He always tries to make more than he can and doesn't quite get where he wants, and you can actually see that. So, in the best case, his movies are "only" somewhat underwhelming to me.

In the end, he is nothing more than Michael Bay in disguse. But while Bay is quite up front with his intentions, Nolan tries to be an "artist" but he just fails miserably at it.

Just look at the Batman movies. Batman is known to be a super smart highly skilled detective. But in the movies he is nothing but a rich thug in a expensive suit that beats up bad guys. He does no detective work, he builds none of his gadgets or devices, he does practically nothing Batman is known for, except the beating up bad guys. What a lame treatment of the subject matter. You can see that Nolan had a few concepts but completely forgot to flesh out the details and pay attention to the coherence of those movies. He opted to go for realism but then didn't follow through. It is very visible in the third movie where what, all of Gothams police force is supposed to be underground for months without support? Wtf?

Just check this out for all the plotholes and then tell me is a good director: http://movieplotholes.com/the-dark-knight-rises.html

And how overcomplex, far-fetched and just plain pretentions Inception is, is no secret to anyone. Even South-Park spoofed that.

In the Prestige he even had to resort to the far-fetched super-natural, because his lame story-telling seemed to be going nowhere and that was the only way to get some kind of an ending. In comparison The Illusionist did that way better without *really* going to the super-natural. And it was way more compelling too. Part of that might have been because Norton is just a far superior actor to Bale but Norton's writing and directing certainly didn't help.

In Interstellar I also find his pretentious arrogance quite visible. Just look at how detailed and intricated some scientific details are taken care off, while other basic details, as to what causes the dust, why does humanity need to leave the planet, and why a dead ball of ice is better than earth are completely unexplained. Those questions aren't even hinted at. It is plainly visible that he had get scientists for the scientific parts but completely lacked the basic details that make such a story believable and compelling in the first place. I call that a plain and simple failure.

All in all, Nolan does have a few nice gimmicks, but he also *is* higly overrated. He is the Michael Bay for pretentious arrogant people.

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The Illusionist was a good movie but nowhere near as good as The Prestige. I love Nolan's works esp. The Dark Knight trilogy, Prestige and Inception. Yes, some movies could've been better but to say he is Michael Bay in disguise is an insult not only to him but to all other good directors.

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The Illusionist succeeded in everything The Prestige failed in. I recently watched both movies back to back (first Illusionist then the Prestige) and then the lack of quality becomes quite apparent.

As for the Dark Knight Trilogy, well they're way overrated (just like Batman) and I'd give them somewhere between a 5/10 to 6/10 depending on the movie.

And saying that Nolan is more than Michael Bay in disguise is the real insult to good directors. Directors that can actually get a well-thought out movie done from beginning to end in a coherent way. Which is something I haven't seen Nolan do even just once.

In fact, when it comes to pure directing, Michael Bay is even better than Nolan and I am not the only one who thinks so:

http://screenrant.com/christopher-nolan-movies-best-worst-critics/


Nolan's movies are rather simple and unsophisticated while they pretend to actually be more. But they just aren't. There is no substance to them and they are quickly forgotten.

As they should be.

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So do you have opinions of your own or do you just quote other sources? I see in every post you troll the Michael Bay comparison yet you never actually say anything of substance.
Let's discuss Nolan:
Memento. An indie Hollywood game changer.
Prestige: the visuals outdo anything made even today. Christian and Hugg outdoing each other and a cheeky ending we all love (I loved the illusionist as well btw. )
Batman trilogy: this changed the face of all movies. This brought superheroes to grown ups. Thus was stylised brilliance.
Inception: really? Did you even watch it. You just say you didn't rate it and found it pretentious. Why exactly? Give one reason you haven't plagiarised. I see inception as a film unlike any other. Not a sequel. Not a reboot. Not a reimagining. Something unique original brave and pays off in spades. Nolan can't do action? Um.... Watch the hotel scene with JGL. Watch the I've station scene. Then show me better.

Aside from the dark knight trilogy Nolan has had the balls to stand out. To make a film without a sequel needed. Stand alone brilliance. Wachowskis tried this with Jupiter and failed. Most directors try this and fail. Nolan may need a little more humour some say but he is one of the only people on the planet capable of trying things no one else would even dream about.

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