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Is there any evidence Russia colluded?

posted 5 years ago by HushPuppy (142)
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Wikileaks is international, like a corporation. They don't have a nationality, but even if we pretend they are Russian, leaking documents is whistleblowing, not collusion. It's protected by the First Amendment like the free press.

Other than that, are we really going to go with "Hillary lost by a few hundred votes instead of winning by millions of votes like she should have... because some guy in Russia bought a couple Facebook ads"? It's nonsense. You wouldn't even have to prove to me that a Russian bought a Facebook ad. I would just assume it happened, and likewise assume that plenty of people from China or Mexico were posting all over the internet in favor of Hillary. Why wouldn't they? Hillary literally held a fundraiser in Mexico. Germany's largest newspaper ran constant attack ads, as did the BBC. Mainstream politicians in both parties hired a British secret agent to dig up dirt on Trump. Our own government under Obama leveraged our intelligence agencies to spy on Trump. His lawyer's office was raided. We know everything about him.

Facebook itself was in the tank for Hillary. Is that okay because of some pretext about Facebook being an American company? If you want to get technical, then Apple is an Irish company. They moved to Ireland to avoid paying tax here. Apple electioneered for Hillary. What's interesting is Apple Google and Facebook all censor the same people, and they all do it at the same time. Is Facebook part of a wide ranging Irish conspiracy? Liberals, do you see how stupid this sounds?

Anything Russia is even accused of doing, the other side did ten million times more, and did it openly. I don't believe for a second our establishment would have allowed Russian interference if it were actually happening. I'm also not about to give the benefit of the doubt to people who have such obvious ulterior motives for sabotaging our relations with Russia, and who flagrantly oppose the slightest inkling of election integrity. Every other country requires ID to vote.

[–] Frogarama (12942) 5 years ago

It was a Russian interference investigation, not a collusion investigation. That was secondary.

[–] ultravioletx (10216) 5 years ago

Wikileaks isn't Russian but Guccifer 2.0 is. Wikileaks released the hacked emails but they didn't break into people's accounts to acquire them. That was Guccifer 2.0. Guccifer 2.0 released stolen DNC emails to Wikileaks to smear democrats. And Guccifer 2.0 also released stolen RNC emails to DC Leaks to smear anti-Trump republicans.

Facebook was the social media network most susceptible to Russia's troll farm campaign. Russian bots used Cambridge Analytica's Facebook data to target demographics most susceptible to those bots. Thats what brought Facebook and Mark Zuckerberg under fire from Congress. You even had republicans admitting Facebook was too susceptible to Russia's cyber espionage.

Finally I just want to say its a sickness for any American to think we should sit back and let Russia interfere with our elections simply because we do it to other countries. We are in the business of making America great. Thats what Trump's campaign was all about. But the second you find out Russia helped get him elected against the will of the American people all you MAGA tards admit your true colors that you're willing to make Russia great at America's expense if it means Trump is president.

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

So ..... an ad on facebook is what you're blaming now?

A pro-DT ad on facebook as opposed to the constant hilary pushing in msm for 12 months is more likely to sway people ...

And of course the sly dig at certain 'demographics' - who I'm sure you will support the suppression of should things not go your way in 2020 (ala brexit voters vs libs).

That is laughable.

[–] ultravioletx (10216) 5 years ago

If you want to call it blame for recognizing Facebook's failure to spot a bunch of bots then fine. I'm not calling it illegal though. That aspect of Russia's interference is on Facebook and Cambridge Analytica but not Trump.

Whats laughable is how you had nothing to say about the first paragraph.

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

"an ad on facebook"

lulz. You're not the sharpest tool in the drawer are you?

[–] AmeriGirl26 (12307) 5 years ago

There is, but not for the side that the Democraps want to get in trouble. Now I will agree that Russia had spies planted in both parties to observe what was going on and to report back to the Kremlin. They've been spying on us for decades, so it was not unexpected.

But there appears to be more evidence that Russia was colluding with HILLARY's team, rather than Trump's. They knew what kind of a guy he was, and honestly, Trump has been the worst thing ever to happen to Putin. Putin would have gotten a lot more out of a Hillary presidency than a Trump one, partially due to the fact that she worked extensively with his people during her time as secretary of state as well as campaigning for president. She would have done a lot of favors for the Kremlin, maybe even had more uranium dug from OUR soil to sell to them than they already have now.

They came up with this collusion idea on the very night of the election, right after Hillary lost.

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

Sounds like you're running late for your QAnon meeting.

[–] Nirvana (271) 5 years ago

Wikileaks just showed the truth who cares if the Russians hacked the emails. The emails unearthed a bunch of rotten stuff the Democrats were doing. Only people they can blame is themselves for acting the way they did.

[–] Keelai (31892) 5 years ago

Wikileaks was working with the Russian military's misinformation and cyberspying arm by accepting their hacked information and decimating it to the American public in order to influence the election and as part of an ongoing attack against democracy. Welcome to the New Cold War.

If we were living during the 40s, Hitler would've won. Americans are too easily fooled these days and there's no real sense of pride and wanting to protect what the Founding Fathers created anymore.

[–] ultravioletx (10216) 5 years ago

Wikileaks made it apparent they did it for partisan reasons by the timing which they released the email dumps. Assange had also insinuated that Seth Rich was one of the leakers after his murder. Somewhere along the line Assange went from journalist to propagandist.