I cannot say for certain of course, but I think the real long term plans of the US ... looking forward throughout this century is to take out Iran, and then Saudi Arabia ... only then can this area be free of the oppression and coercion of their militant fascist versions of Islam and move forward to join the modern world. It is kind of ironic that by that time oil will not really be as important as it has historically been.
But getting rid of the tyrannies in the Middle East will also make those countries and their neighbors much less likely to want to side with Russia or China.
We all know the Saudi-US relationship is just one of mutual convenience, and at some point it is not going to be worth the pain of bowing to this most corrupt of regimes in the world, and Iran, same there, but Iran is the weaker of the two power blocks and has lost most of its cache in the region.
In terms of Syria being unwinnable, maybe or maybe not, but there is little left in Syria to "win" .... Bashir al-Assad has pretty much destroyed his own country, not to mention all the groups inside it that made it up.
Finally, it should be time for an independent Kurdistan, but I don't know if the US has ever gotten anything right like that, so I won't be holding my breath.
We shake hands with the saudis because they have so much money. They fund our military contractors and thats it. We get most of our oil from Canada and Mexico. The days of the saudis having us on a leash for oil is over. But they are so wealthy that they can literally get away with murder and have a president look the other way. The only way to defeat it is to get money out of politics. Also the only reason we go after Iran is because the saudis tell us to. We help them in Yemen because its a proxy war against Iran. We help them in Syria because its a proxy war against Iran. Its all about Saudi Arabia maintaining its dominance in the region.
Did you know that it is an American state secret as to how much money the Saudis have invested in the US economy? There is a very informative book called Secrets of the Kingdom by Gerald Posner that goes into the history of the Saudis, and as we all know it is not pretty. These were ignorant warring tribespeople that murdered each other for centuries, and that is their mindset, criminality on a vast scale now that they are rich. The spend more on defense than Russia, third under the US and China I believe. Also they are still paying and exporting radical Islam to the world. They also still have slavery ... they are an ugly barbaric people. At least Iran has a civilized long history and does things on their own. There is a lot to admire in the Iranian culture ... not so much at all in Saudi ... whatever one could call it.
I can already agree the saudis are the real problem and not Iran. We were the ones that turned Iran's government into religious fundamentalists. However there was a period around the 1920s when Saudi Arabia was secular.
> We were the ones that turned Iran's government into religious fundamentalists.
Not really, that was the excesses of the Shah. We did put him in power, which was a stupid movie, but he might still be there today or his descendants if he had not taken too much from the country and oppressed his people.
I am not familiar with any secular past in Saudi Arabia, they have been warring about religion for centuries, controlled by Egypt or the Ottomans. Do you have any information about this time?
Well Iran had a prime minister that we kicked out and replaced with the shah. Then the ayatollah took over because the shah was an obvious puppet. It seems that without any of our interference then the prime minister's leadership would have likely continued. But who knows for sure I guess.
The ayatollah did not take over because the shah was a puppet, but because he was a lousy ruler and administrator and could to stomach or manage diversity and was killing and torturing people. That was not strictly done by the USA.
That is like saying the US tells Saudi Arabia what to do, who to kill, etc.
I agree the best thing that should have happened was that Mosadegh was left in power and negotiated reasonably with, but that is not the US's way, even today sometimes.
The shah was a puppet for us because we and Britain put him in power. We led a coup against the PM because the PM wanted the oil strictly for Iranians.
The saudis aren't our puppets because we did not put those royals in power. They always had it.
You might want to read the book I cited above. The Shah was removed basically by the oil companies, like Arbenz in Guatemala was removed by United Fruit.
I always get a kick out of the ignorant people who pass on the meme that the US is Israel's puppet, when in fact it is far more Saudi Arabia that has influence in the US, but they are happy to remain in the background pulling strings.