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Read this and tell me you still believe in global warming


http://berkeleyearth.org/understanding-adjustments-temperature-data/

Berkeley Earth is attempting to defend temperature adjustments but I think it backfires. I already didn't believe in global warming, on the technical side mainly because of computer model projections and their runaway feedback loops, but also because of pretensions about measuring the average temperature of Earth to begin with, to hundredths of a degree with instruments calibrated to tenths of a degree, with a bunch of moving thermometers spliced in with tree rings and ice cores, fudge factors, dismissing satellites, destroying raw data, etc... All kinds of monkey business made it hard to swallow. But now I read this article about the many different specific adjustments made to each temperature reading, the rationales and the means for them. It's pure fantasy. In particular, they address why the temperature data from years in the past continue to change on a daily basis in the present. It's because current temperature readings are taken at a certain time of day, which may be different from the time of day scientists elected to take temperature readings in years past. So they estimate what the temperature would have been. They do the same thing to account for new locations. They still have not settled on where to put the thermometers or what time to take the measurements!? That's nuts. I can't believe the measurements aren't continuous. No normal person who believes in global warming would have ever guessed anything like this is going on. This is from an article defending the practice in good faith.

Of all the chemicals that come out of a smokestack, maybe carbon dioxide isn't the one we should be concerned about, i.e. we shouldn't favor fracking fluid over a coal scrubber just because an oil company and some pet scientists say so (the research body for the UN, CRU of East Anglia, was founded by BP Shell and Rockefeller).

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Do you believe the Earth is flat, too?

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I find it very strange. I know not all Trump supporters are flat-earthers. Far from it. But every flat-earther turns out to be a Trump supporter.

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I wasn't aware of that. How come I'm not surprised?

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Believing the earth is not heating up is like believing the moon landing was fake or believing 9/11 was an inside job. Its stuff that stupid people gravitate to because if they are right they believe its a shortcut to getting society to think they are smart.

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I shouldn't really engage in such nonsense, but one thing I've never understood with respect to you right-wing global warming deniers (and credit to you for at least using the term 'global warming' over the right-wing euphemism 'climate change'), is what would anyone, including the 99% of scientists who state global warming is real, or at the very least significantly probable, have to gain from lying. Who benefits from such a 'conspiracy', and why? Assuming the world is run by some shadowy global elite (I don't, but I suspect you do) what would these presumably rich and powerful people have to gain from such scaremongering, when, firstly, it could potentially (if properly addressed - which alas has not been the case so far) harm growth for the world's one-percent, and, secondly, it is the poorest people in the world who are unfortunately the most vulnerable to the worst effects of global warming, not those with the resources to locate to relative safety.

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The earth is warming up because we are still coming out of an ice age. It's going to happen regardless. You can't put Pandora back in the box, so instead of demonizing anyone that doesn't want to participate in global wealth transfers....maybe, perhaps, try working on solutions to prepare for the inevitable future, while ALSO reducing the impact we think we are having.

But I think people have too much fun being assholes, so here we are.

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I am still waiting for Al Gore to explain why the Earth started warming 12,000 years ago.

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Which is hilarious seeing they found the impact crater that started the following extinction period, and ice age, in Greenland.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMTTFLiOwX0

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Cool, very interesting. Never heard of this before. Also that giant sloth would be freaky deaky!

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I agree with what you are saying, regarding a motivation to go green. It really doesn't hurt. I do believe some powers that be might want to continue using fossil fuels because of personal financial interests. Having said that, my textbooks in school in the late 80s assured us that the next ice age was coming. They said aspirin would kill you, the cholesterol in eggs was bad for you, and Pluto was a planet. My point being, even science isn't precise,as much as we want it to be. It's still information accumulated and processed by human beings, and until we are perfect, science won't be either. I've seen some things about how average global temperature recordings are inaccurate, and a lot of it makes sense. Even if that's true, I'd like to see us try our best to keep our world clean, even if global warming were a complete hoax. I'd guess like most things, there is a little truth and falsities from both sides.

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I totally agree with you.

Scientific theories are just that: theories. But when 99% of scientists are in agreement over a theory, you have to start taking it seriously.

My attitude towards global warming has always been to treat the scientific evidence as the representing our best and most likely answer or hypothesis for what is, or will, happen to the planet, even if we don't necessarily have to regard it as 100% cast-iron fact. But, like you, I'd much rather err on the safe side rather than take a colossal risk and destroy the one Earth we have, especially as the science and means now exist to significantly reduce carbon emissions.

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Global warming is a fact. Climate change has been with the earth from the beginning. It's cyclical. . . .Ice Ages for 10,000 years, then global warming after that. It goes back and forth. I've been interested in climatology for a life time. Check it out at the NASA/climate change website.

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It would be funny if the Earth was getting colder and scientists were trying to find a way to make it warmer.

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I heard in the 1970s, they were pushing the dire "Global Cooling" narrative. Just take a look at some of the older magazines from that time period, including National Geographic and Newsweek.

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Being someone that loves to study science, particularly Earth Science, and observing what's been going on for the past 3 decades, I am somewhat disturbed by this entire subject. I grew up in the 90s, so we heard all about Global Warming, and how it would destroy our planet if we didn't recycle and clean up our garbage better. But here's the thing:

All those dire predictions Al Snore and his cronies said would happen in the 2010s, didn't happen. We still have icecaps, and they're even THICKER now than they were in the 90s, New York City and Venice are still above water, the ozone hole shrank a bit, and a number of our winters have actually been COLDER in recent history, not warmer. That was why those boneheads changed the title of their failing narrative from "Global Warming," to "Climate Change."

Here's something else that should be noted, if you study paleontology and climatology: the Earth has been experiencing climate change ever since she got an atmosphere over 3 billion years ago. There is evidence that shows she went through a number of crazy cooling and warming trends, including global ice ages, and times (such as during the early Mesozoic Period 220 million years ago) when it was so warm, there were no ice caps. And who is to blame for that? Not humans. Our earliest hominid ancestors didn't show up until approximately 3 million years ago.

Now I will admit that pollution is a very serious problem, and I'm totally with the recycling idea. It benefits a lot to be able to re-use things like plastic, glass, and paper. I also believe in planting new generations of trees in areas that logging companies have stripped. My mother was once part of the Arbor Day Society. There has also been measures done to make factories, power plants, and cars less polluting than they used to be.

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But it bothers me that not everyone is joining in. You look at how much the US and Europe pollute, vs. Asia, Latin America, and India, and it's absolutely CRIMINAL how much crap THEY spew into our atmosphere, and you're wondering, why aren't they on board? In fact, some of the 3rd world countries out there are doing stuff that is way worse than the Free World. And yet the Green Nazis keep punishing the Free World countries all the time with regulations, fines, and lawsuits. Where's the logic in that?

It should be noted that the biggest polluters in the world are not humans at all. They are volcanoes. Even China and India can't compete with what explodes into our atmosphere from volcanic eruptions. I mean, what are the Global Warming drones gonna do? Plug up the volcanoes? I'd love to see how they can prevent eruptions like that.

There has been talk of biased scientists whose funding came from certain political groups, and them being bribed into cooking the books to push the narrative. They also aren't working with enough data. It's similar to the plastic straw BS that was going on in CA just last year. The state govt. was working on data a single 10-year-old child had gotten from speaking to TWO plastic straw companies, and they did not even verify this data with their own scientists. The Earth's atmosphere and climate are highly complex, and we don't understand everything that goes on, even to this day. There are also holes in the data, areas that some climatologists totally ignore or pretend they never saw.

Here's something that could really mess with your head: there is evidence to suggest that electric cars could contribute to MORE pollution than gasoline cars, and I'll explain why: today's gasoline-burning cars now have much better engines that allow less pollutants from being spewed out of the tailpipe and into the atmosphere. They've been improving car engine designs to be that good since the early 2010s, maybe sooner.

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Meanwhile, the factories that make batteries for electric cars are polluting way more than our gasoline cars have done, partially due to the process in making those batteries.

It has been suggested that this entire "Climate Change" thing is nothing more than a scheme to make money, and is one of the biggest frauds in history. The idea is to keep pushing the narrative, no matter how ridiculous it is, and squeeze rich, industrial countries [that aren't in Asia] into paying fines and being forced to follow all these stupid rules, while 3rd-world countries can pollute all they want. Who benefits from this? Can you say...rich asshole Globalists, maybe?

And by the way, I'm just getting warmed up [if you'll excuse the pun,] because there's more where that came from.

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All those dire predictions Al Snore and his cronies said would happen in the 2010s, didn't happen. We still have icecaps, and they're even THICKER now than they were in the 90s, New York City and Venice are still above water, the ozone hole shrank a bit, and a number of our winters have actually been COLDER in recent history, not warmer.

Ozone hole shrank due to reduction in ozone emissions, which was a result of laws and changes in society!

If dire warnings are given, and don't pan out, either the warnings were wrong or slightly off... OR the warnings worked! Seriously, consider that.

Also, I don't think the ice caps are thicker now. Maybe I'm thinking of the ice sheets.... Right now we have ancient bacteria being released thanks to melting ice and warming permafrost.

Oh, and Global Warming does not make winters warmer. That's right-wing propaganda. It's an average temperature for the entire year and it goes up by a factor of a degree or so, which is a big deal when you take the entire Earth into consideration.

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