http://www.irli.org/single-post/2017/09/27/New-FAIR-Study-Illegal-Immigration-Costs-116-billion-Annually?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI1raW-_jp3wIVlsDICh0gTQ4TEAAYASAAEgJsI_D_BwE
And you all piss and moan over $5 billion.
Jim Acosta proved the wall works....why is this still a debate?
shareFake news!
The FAIR study's conclusions have generally been criticized for relying on inexact estimates and broad assumptions.
Alex Nowrasteh, an immigration policy analyst at the libertarian Cato Institute, said FAIR’s 2017 report was "fatally flawed." It undercounted immigrants’ tax revenues, inflated the number of immigrants in the country illegally, counted millions of U.S. citizens as illegally in the United States, and used a method of estimating fiscal costs "that is rejected by all economists who work on this subject."
Mexico is paying for the wall. Trump promised!
It is funny that Trump mentions a wall and then all of a sudden conservatives are going ,"Wall! Wall! We need the wall! We can't live without the wall!!! We need it now!!!!" Nobody cared before Trump ever mentioned it. It's almost like they are just sheep with no minds....
shareThey are a mindless cult. Notice when he said Putin is OK, now his cult defends Russia and Putin.
shareJust like how everyone thought Trump was a joke before he ran for President. He had his reality show and people made fun of him for it. Then all of a sudden he runs for President and calls himself Republican and now they love him.
shareI knew there were people stupid enough to buy into his con job so I'm not surprised. And the Electoral College needs to be tossed in order to have a democracy.
shareNobody knows how many illegals are living in the country since we're not keeping track of them. The estimates are anywhere between 12 million and 36 million. The official estimate of 12 million has been that way for years even though we've had record migration since the 2000s. Border states are the ones mostly affected but nearby states are also affected not only by illegal immigration but by white flight.
Walls do work in other countries so it goes without saying that a wall would at least be effective in slowing down illegal immigration if not eliminating it. The cost of building the wall is very little in the grand scheme of things. The economic argument is weak since American citizens end up paying for illegal immigration one way or another. The moral argument also makes no sense because crime affects both citizens and immigrants alike.
"estimates are anywhere between 12 million and 36 million"
Most estimates are around 10-11 million.
"we've had record migration since the 2000s"
Not true. Illegal immigration has been going down for years. It's at a 12 year low. The illegal population is also in decline.
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2018/11/27/u-s-unauthorized-immigrant-total-dips-to-lowest-level-in-a-decade
"Border states are the ones mostly affected..."
Twenty metro areas have 60% of illegal immigrants and many are not near the border.
BTW, most illegal immigration is from people overstaying their visas, not crossing the border.
"...by white flight..."
Most of the areas where illegal immigrants live are cosmopolitan cities therefore likely to be melting pots.
"economic argument is weak since American citizens end up paying for illegal immigration one way or another."
Our food is cheap because so many farmers hire them. 53% of hired farm workers are illegal. I know the restaurant industry where I live would collapse. Housing would be much more expensive since they make up 15% in construction.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/illegal-immigrants-us-jobs-economy-farm-workers-taxes
Trump would know since he hired them for his business in New Jersey.
"crime affects both citizens and immigrants alike."
Citizens are more likely to commit crime than an illegal immigrant. Illegal immigrants are more likely to be victims of crime.
http://oxfordre.com/criminology/view/10.1093/acrefore/9780190264079.001.0001/acrefore-9780190264079-e-93
"The cost of building the wall is very littl"
You're mistakenly assuming there is no wall. There is. And people keep building tunnels underneath it or climbing over it.
https://www.mydaytondailynews.com/news/national/third-drug-smuggling-tunnel-found-month-arizona-mexico-border/LLT8n15Seu17ChYmxpoJMO.
$28-30 billion plus is a lot for something so ineffective.
Besides Mexico is paying for the wall. Trump promised!
"Most estimates are around 10-11 million."
The research is flawed. Illegal immigrants would have to be vastly overrepresented in crime statistics relative to their population for these numbers to make sense.
"Not true. Illegal immigration has been going down for years. It's at a 12 year low. The illegal population is also in decline."
They have not gone down dramatically compared to previous decades.
"Most of the areas where illegal immigrants live are cosmopolitan cities therefore likely to be melting pots."
There is less assimilation in cities that are minority majority. It's less of a melting pot and more like a salad bowl.
"Our food is cheap because so many farmers hire them. 53% of hired farm workers are illegal. I know the restaurant industry where I live would collapse. Housing would be much more expensive since they make up 15% in construction."
Those blue collar jobs that "no one else wants to do" used to pay their workers a living wage and helped raise a family. These jobs are now being done for slave wages by illegal immigrants. These same jobs are also likely to be be phased out by automation in the decades to come. There is already a housing crisis in the big cities. Single and elderly people are competing with large immigrant families for housing. Most high paying jobs are concentrated in the large cities yet the cost of living has become too prohibitive for college graduates.
"You're mistakenly assuming there is no wall. There is. And people keep building tunnels underneath it or climbing over it."
There is less migration in areas where there is already a wall. However, much of it needs to be reinforced. It must be said that the wall would not be totally effective on its own. It's only one part of comprehensive reform which would also include better technology.
If you're going to refute, at least back it up with data from a credible source. Otherwise, I know you're making it all up, and my original comments stand.
BTW, the Republican Senate and Congress didn't want the wall either which is why they never appropriated the money for it during the two years they had the majority.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/09/20/trump-border-wall-survey-congress-republicans-billions/640196001/
Fun fact: irli was founded by the Federation for American Immigration Reform, which has been identified as a hate group due to its tie to white supremacist groups. As evidenced by their founder, who is quoted as saying “As Whites see their power and control over their lives declining, will they simply go quietly into the night? Or will there be an explosion.".
Which explains the article and certain posters support of it.