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A big thanks to Jim Acosta


The video recaps Jim Acosta's quick trip to the border in an attempt to debunk The Pres' claims about border security. Thanks for your hard work, Jim!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pKXKwDJUjs0

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I tried to watch that video but that "Amazing Lucas" guy spent way too much time being an annoying frat-boy douche for the camera and repeating himself.

Yeesh. Can't stand that kind of shit. What a narcissist.

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What's amazing is how that "content creator" makes a living by posting pretty much no content to his horde. He basically flipped out over Jim Acosta showing a chain-link fence.

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Acosta's a hack. His video proved NOTHING.

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Actually, it proved that everywhere he went that had a wall, they didn't have any trouble. It's been lampooned on Twitter as the biggest "self-own" in history.

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I don't get how that proves a wall would work though. I can understand them choosing to climb the fence instead of the wall, but what happens if the fence is replaced by a wall? Do they come to the border, see a wall, and then turn around? Sounds like a large chunk of logic is being leaped over here.

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Nothing is going to be 100% effective. In Israel they have walls, and the terrorists use the aid money they get for tunnels. When the Israelis destroy the tunnels, they put incendiaries tied to balloons where it can catch scrub and trees on fire and burn up houses. But most all the people who are telling us to build bridges instead of walls have walls to protect them, most notably the Pope. They have those walls because they actually work as a deterrent.

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Of course there's a wall. They are enemies. This is the problem with Trumpers. You're all 'us versus them' as if Mexico is an enemy to us like Palestine is to Israel. If Palestinians could live freely among Israelis just by getting past the wall then the wall wouldn't stop them. There's obviously a lot more going on there.

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If you will recall, my answer was in response to your assertion that walls wouldn’t work. If Palestinians wanted to assimilate and stop killing Israelis, then there would be no need for the wall.

BTW, the Pope is not the enemy of the Italians. They just don’t want every Tom, Dick, and Harry waltzing into the Vatican, because security.

But in the case of Mexico, not only do we have some dangerous people crossing the border, we have no handle on illegal immigration. Which matters. You obviously don’t understand why.

A for instance: Here in Oregon, if you want a house built, chances are the work crew is going to be unable to speak English. They won’t be able to follow your requests for how you want your house built, and they’ll even have difficulty understanding the contractor if he doesn’t speak Spanish. We recently had a house built, so we know the problems first hand. We have friends in the construction industry who’ve lost jobs and had to be retrained for jobs that don’t offer them the same pay and benefits because they can’t compete with work crews who’ll work for much less. That includes people who have been working construction for some time, not just “last hired, first fired” twenty-somethings.

These aren’t jobs that “no one wants,” as is often argued. These illegals are taking jobs from Americans.

And finally, you understand the concept in your own life. You’re not going to put a sign in your front yard saying, “Everyone welcome!” and let everybody and his dog come on your property — some just passing through, some to stay; some willing to obey your rules, some not. Not being stupid, you have locks on your doors and a firm idea of who gets to enter your home and how. Countries do, too.

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"But in the case of Mexico, not only do we have some dangerous people crossing the border, we have no handle on illegal immigration."

Citizens are more likely to commit a violent crime than an illegal immigrant. Also, immigration has been going down since the Obama administration ramped up deportations.

Trump has convinced you that immigration is a problem because of an innate feeling of tribalism more typically found in people on the right. Trump has convinced you that a wall is a good idea also because of that tribalism. It is a symbol of us versus them. That is what you really want. It makes you feel good to identify people as enemies because they look different than you.

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Yes, citizens are more likely to commit a violent crime because there are more of them. The odds are in that favor. Even so, why open the border to other people who might commit violent crimes? Shouldn't we control borders and try to get people in here who are properly vetted? You don't let just anyone through your front door under the impression that statistics show that when someone gets killed, it's usually the spouse, do you?

Trump didn't need to convince me that the people taking the jobs away from friends and mucking up the building of my house were a problem because of "tribalism." All that happened under Obama. Try to pay attention to my arguments instead of what your favorite websites and cable stations keep repeating. They say "tribalism" so you say "tribalism." I don't pay any attention to what Trump says. He doesn't know what he's talking about most of the time, and his supporters seem to think he invented conservatism. Of course, his detractors like to think he's conservative, too. He's not. He's a lifelong Democrat turned populist. But that doesn't serve the narrative.

Here's something that will blow your mind -- the question amongst the real conservatives on Twitter is why Trump didn't push this when he had a majority in both Houses? The guess is that shows how much Trump actually wanted the wall -- not much. This is a distraction for folks like you and red meat for his populist base. Now, think about it. Why wouldn't he have pushed this when he had a better chance of winning? Especially when winning means so much to him?

You understand the concept of distraction. We've gotten pretty far from you saying a wall wouldn't work, which was your first argument. 😉

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Here's a full explanation why a wall cannot work.

1-A wall cannot be built around the entirety of US's border.
2-A wall can't even be built along the entire southern border.
3-Since a wall cannot be built around the southern border most immigrants will flock to the portion of the border that has no wall.
4-Even if a wall could somehow be built around the entire southern border then means would quickly and easily be obtained to go around it, under it, or through it (they are steel slats after all).

All of the facts we understand about this hypothetical wall adds up to one single conclusion. It will not work. It is an experiment but it is an experiment we know for a fact will fail based on the simplest of logic. But it will still do one thing which is the very thing it is intended to do. It will symbolize a separation of us and them and feed your innate tribalism.

The real problem here is you and your bunch simply don't understand what the wall is made of or how far it goes or how high it is or how thick it is or even where it is being placed. None of those things matter to you because the symbolism of it supersedes any other purpose.

So as long as that symbol is created then the wall becomes an automatic success to you. And its not just a symbol of Americans versus Mexicans. It will also be a symbol of team red scoring a point against team blue in the game of political theater.

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You do realize that its more than just building a wall right? Its better equipment, more border agents, better tools, etc.

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Why are they wasting all that money on better equipment, more border agents and better tools when a wall works?

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Think hard about your #3. If we know the places they're going to flock to, the border will be easier to control.

Walls work all the time. Again, ask the folks at the Vatican. Ask the rich Democrats that have walls around their homes or communities.

But don't let facts get in the way of your narrative.

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Facts don't get in the way of my narrative. They fit right in. Think even harder about my #3. You have to make things like Texas's topography magically disappear in order to fit your narrative. But here in the real world we understand that part of the border is difficult to control. That's why we can't build a wall there. Derp. Did you just assume there was no connection?

Walls work at making people go somewhere where there's no wall. What you are trying to say is if we all had walls around our property then criminals would give up. No. What would happen is criminals would simply start scaling walls. Then we'd have to find another way to stop them from getting in and all that money we spent on a wall is wasted.

Of course none of that has anything to do with the fact that trafficking happens through points of entry. Most illegals enter while hidden inside a legal citizens' vehicle. Most drugs enter while hidden inside a legal citizens' vehicle.

But don't let facts get in the way of your narrative. You go git that big beautiful republican wall of red white and blue YEEHAW!

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Texas topography? Most of it is flat. A lot of the places where it can't be built is bordered by the Rio Grande, which either makes a natural barrier or slows people down. Fewer people would be needed to patrol the parts where they have the wall, shifting more people over to the places where you admitted the people would naturally try to breach.

It sure is odd that there are so many people in Texas who want that border wall built, and they're the ones who know the topography better than you or I do. But it was a nice try at a walkback.

Then we're back to my point: "Walls work at making people go somewhere where there's no wall." Yup. That's a good thing. See above. "What you are trying to say is if we all had walls around our property then criminals would give up." No, that was your silly argument initially -- that they'd come to the wall and just turn around. Can you remember back to what I responded to that? Nothing resembled walls stop all illegals trying to cross the border. It takes longer to scale the walls than to just walk in, and the added security that's also built into the bill will help take care of that. Again, Israel uses walls against terrorists because walls work. If your logic held water, no one would ever use walls as part of a security system. But they do.

Checkpoints do work if you've got the wide open spaces walled/fenced off. That's why the Israeli's use them. I keep bringing up the Israeli's because they have to have the best security in the world. They're fighting for their lives. If they think walls work, I'm not too impressed what a keyboard warrior thinks.

We're just going in circles here. I'll let you have the last word since it seems to mean so much to you. From what I can see, it'll be an argument you've used before, had shot down, and didn't realize it. Enjoy! 😉

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Its mostly flat but treacherous which is how that girl died of dehydration.

Look, this whole thing is very simple. Pretend you yourself have a choice of living in Mexico or climbing/going around the wall to live in the US.

If I have that choice I'm getting to the other side pretty damn easy.

Maybe you're paralyzed or something but what you are basically admitting is that you don't have the ability. I've climbed trees as a kid that were trickier than that Egypt/Israel fence barrier thing.

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Yeah the flaw in logic is you assuming people would continue to approach the boarder looking for easy passage when they know there is a big fucking wall there.

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Right. All Trump has to do is tell them there's a big wall there then they will all just stay where they are and lose family members to the cartels. Yup. You figured out the winning strategy. Amazing.

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I can't tell if Burk is suggesting this or if it actually didn't occur to him.... but I thought he was saying that they would simply move on to other methods of getting into the country instead of walking up to a wall and then turning back as if they didn't know.

But maybe he really is implying that they just wouldn't try anything... not sure.

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I'm not sure either. He makes it seem like he believes a wall would cover our entire southern border even though it would cost a hundred billion to include all of southern Texas.

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You mean how it works very affectively in other countries? Continue to put blind hatred in front instead of common sense and facts, I'm sure that will get you places. Lol, the idea you think most Mexicans cross the border because of cartels is so ignorant it's laughable.

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Which rich country successfully uses a wall to prevent a poor country's people from illegally migrating there?

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The Egypt–Israel barrier. It is so successful at keeping economic refugees from crossing, several countries including the US (previous administration to Trump) have sent people there to study their system.

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Egyptian migrants aren't desperate to live in Israel. They are desperate to leave Egypt. That's why Israel only needs a mere fence to keep them out. It pushes them to go somewhere else.

If there was another country like the US east or west of us with no border protection then I'm right there with ya that a wall would send immigrants over there instead of here. But US soil is the one and only purpose for them to leave their homes. They aren't going to stay put just because there's a wall there that requires them to bring a rope or go around. Remember how the migrant caravans rejected Mexican amnesty?

The reality is ever since the Obama administration more illegals have been leaving than entering. It's not even a problem thats worth addressing. None of Trump's supporters care enough to look at the numbers. Its below net zero. With a wall there they will stay net zero as long as ICE keeps doing its thing. But instead of ICE getting the credit for the below net zero illegal immigration, you will all wrongly give credit to the wall.

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You are FULL of incorrect information. You have been since the begining. You clearly want to pick and choose fact that help the notion you already have that what Trump is doing is wrong or dumb, when everything points in the other direction. You asked for a country with an affective wall, and I give it to you, only to find you immediately move the goal post to fit your narrative. Our highest boarder officials insist this is needed, that says it all. You've decided to put blind hatred in front of logic, and only you can fix whatever part of you is so broken that you see that as healthy. Have fun with that.

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Lol @ Burk basically whining that you responded instead of blindly agreeing with him.

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And Mexico paid for those sections of the wall? Well, how cheap are they that they won't pay for the rest? I mean, that's what Trump promised multiple times when he was campaigning. He even had a section on his website about how we was going to get Mexico to fully fund it by paying for it and not through some reworked trade deal or something silly and impractical like that.

How dare they build a wall on our border and not finish their job!


Oh....wait a second.....

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Trump was stupid to say that Mexico was going to pay for the wall. Great way to get idiots to vote for you, I suppose, but it’s not so smart once he’s in and everyone can see he’s a big, fat liar. “Tariffs will pay for it!” And that only shows he doesn’t know how tariffs work.

Anyone who bought that lie should wake up to the fact that they’ve been had. Anyone who didn’t say, “Wait a minute. I don’t believe I want to vote for a man who’d tell a barefaced lie like that.” Of course, they took one look at the alternative and said, “What the heck.”

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He didn't even mention tariffs until his first plan (yes, he actually thought Mexico would pay for it. He had the whole insipid plan on his website) buckled when it was faced with Trumps arch-enemy...reality.

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Bless you, you went to his website and actually looked around. I couldn’t get past the two — count them: TWO — “DONATE” buttons for a guy who swore he was funding the whole campaign himself. 😂

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Jimbo showed millions how effective the border wall is.

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The bankrupt demokkkrat party and their media lemmings are the gift that keeps on giving.

#StandUpForJim

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Still dislike Acosta and find him to be an opportunist who sees the shipwreck that is the Trump Administration as his ticket to stardom by forcing himself into the stories.

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