I have a question
Does anyone here think the Trump did well in Helsinki?
I say no
I don't know about here but former grand wizard of the kkk David Duke tweeted:
"Bravo Trump! Bravo Russia! Bravo to all the true American Patriots who put America first and Peace and Justice first before the Zionist Deep Evil State ruling American Media and Politics. Russia has values America once had and America the values that Communist Russia had!"
And I heard the price of tea in China went up too.🙄
shareHey Burk, I assume this is your way of saying my post is pointless. Ultimately most of my posts are pointless so no biggie. The OP was asking if anyone here thought Trump did well. I was just showing what David Duke said because when David Duke is cheerleading the ideals that a person demonstrates, that person may want to take that as a cue to reevaluate things a bit. Just my opinion.
Since I have you here though, I want to follow up on our conversation from yesterday; after I called Trump a disgrace for his words, you said I seem to have a problem with honest politicians. I responded "13 Russian Intelligence officers are indicted and Trump blames poor U.S./Russia relations on American stupidity and foolishness. How is that honest?" So just wondering if you can tell me how Trump was being honest when he said that?
I did reply that comment, because I said I think he's right. The American left is trying to paint the Russians as this mastermind conspiracy that is the reason Hillary lost,which is nonsense. We come across as bitter children looking for someone to blame our boo-boo on. Furthermore,it has been well established and reported on by MANY large and cross partisan news sources that we meddle in foreign elections ourselves, because from a certain standpoint, the outcomes of those elections affect us. It's hypocrisy,and the Russians know this.
To your point on this post, trying to take legitimacy from someone's actions by pointing out the support of it from a radical view is unfair and disingenuous,and I think you know that. Harvey Weinstein was a huge political donar to the Democratic party,and he's a multi accused sex offender. By your logic that means the entire Democratic party is tainted by his support, and implies that all Democrats are in support of sex crimes. See how that works? It's bullshit and you know it.
I didn't get a reply in the "LOLZ! Asked directly, Putin trolls Trump when he does not deny he has pee tape ..." thread where I asked how he was honest.
I'm amazed you can defend Trump calling America stupid and foolish in the wake of 13 Russian officers being indicted by our justice department but we'll (as we often do) agree to disagree. Every fact check site has shown Trump to be far more dishonest than any other politician of the modern era but I doubt you put much stock in those.
Sorry the Harvey Weinstein thing is nothing like this. Harvey Weinstein's perverseness is disgusting for sure, but they have nothing to do with whatever political ideology he may have (sexual fiends exist in abundance on both sides of the aisle, anyone who pretends otherwise is disingenuous). I doubt any politician would be looking for an endorsement from him at this point and I'm guessing he knows enough not to offer one by now. But with David Duke it's his political ideology itself that makes him so despicable and the fact he feels his political ideology is in line with the direction that Trump is heading is disturbing.
I don't think anyone is looking for David dukes endorsement either,which was my point. And the spin on Trump's "dishonesty" includes campaign promises that he has yet to fulfill,and maybe never will,but these get called "lies". As if every president ever didn't do the same thing.
Also, we have government officials get in trouble from time to time,but how would you feel if half of Russia called us out on being a corrupt nation (which we are,but all they all are) because of the actions of a few individuals. You want so bad to slant this in a way that points at Trump,but good or bad, he's doing the same shit that every other politician has done. So call out the entire system, but don't pretend that Trump is the first one to do this stuff.
Of course no one is looking for David Duke's endorsement but the normal chorus of Republican apologists (save for Rand Paul and even his words came with qualifications) were either silent, or openly, and sometimes harshly criticizing Trump's actions in Russia. So "Bravo Trump, Bravo Russia" from David Duke was pretty much what Trump was left with in his cheerleading section. So maybe if you don't think David Duke being part of Trump's cheerleading section is reason enough to reevaluate, how about when David Duke is pretty much your entire cheerleading section? Wouldn't you say that would be reason to reevaluate?
And nope, the "spin" on his dishonestly isn't based on promises that he hasn't yet kept. Fact checking sites keep a running total of promises and will indicate when they are completed, but failure to do so won't go against his overall honestly rating unless a specific time frame was designated (cough repeal Obamacare on day one cough). At the conclusion of a Presidency the numbers are tallied up (plenty of unfulfilled promises on Obama's scorecard). But for current overall honestly you can click on any of the statements they are rating him on and read a full break down of why or why not it is false. You may not put any stock in such things but I do.
Every President has told their share of lies and I'm disappointed in some that have come out of Obama's mouth for sure. But no President has ever lied so often and so freely as Donald Trump and about such easily verifiable items showing he's wrong. I realize you like Trump because he's an outsider but no outsider seems less worthy of your trust in my opinion. One of us is very wrong in our view of Donald Trump and I believe eventually time will tell it's not me. I know you feel differently.
You and the left want to hate him so much, I don't believe you'll objectively give him a fair assessment. And the tally of lies that included unkept campaign promises came from the Washington Post, so there is pretty clear media bias,which extends to all of the sources. I doubt you've actually read all of his supposed lies,and neither have I, but I read enough to know the majority are skewed and rediculous. I've never denied he lies, I've just said I don't care. I know other politicians lie too, but undoubtedly they are better at it than him. Also, your assessment that David Duke is Trump's entire "cheering section" isn't based on anything more than your opinion. There wasn't a poll among all government officials that I'm aware of. But Dukes comment makes a splashy headline,so you see it everywhere because they know the left will lap it up like a dog.
shareIt's not about wanting to hate him, it's about him doing nothing to earn my trust. I know you don't trust the Washington Post which is why I've been talking about his ratings on independent fact checking sites such as politifact.com and factcheck.org. His record with telling the truth is abysmal. I trust them even if you don't.
When he was elected I didn't like it but I resolved to give him a chance. Since then I've seen him increase his rhetoric, deflect to Obama and Hillary time and time again, and just lie so freely about items big, small and everything in between. Lies that defy any type of logic. I don't need the media to tell me all of this, I can hear and read his words for myself. When I listen to him speak, I'm not hearing someone simply unpolished, I'm hearing someone that clearly doesn't know what he's talking about. I've heard it said that he sounds like a kid called on in class who didn't complete the reading assignment. And while that's a joke, it's a scarily apt description.
And as for my opinions, I'm going on what I've read and seen which has been incredibly few republican officials and talking heads (even Fox News was critical) could say much positive about Trump's visit with Putin. I also haven't seen any headlines regarding David Duke's words, just someone pointed it out to me on Twitter. I get my info from many different sources and that's how I form my opinions.
Why would you trust the word of Republican officials? I think you need to stop trusting media personalities/going along with a crowd, and form your own opinions. Fact checking sites picked out Trump's comment that Meryl Streep is overrated and rated it as pants on fire. These sites count on people not actually reading through them.
Someone told you that David Duke is a bad person therefore we should be at war with Russia? This is not your opinion. This is someone manipulating you with emotional appeal. More commonly I hear global warming is real because 97% scientists say so. That is appeal to authority. A real opinion is based on reason. Global warming is real because carbon dioxide involved in feedback loops, etc... We need to be at war with Russia because...?
I never said I trust the word of Republican officials. I said the normal chorus of apologists were even quiet this time and David Duke was one of the only ones speaking up for Trump. Big difference in those two things. If David Duke was amongst the few defending me, I would reevaluate wtf I'm doing.
"Someone told you that David Duke is a bad person therefore we should be at war with Russia? "
WTF? Seriously how did you get that out of anything I said. Trump will have us believe that the choice is between him bowing down to Russia or Nuclear War. There is a whole world in between those two options (notice how we haven't had a Nuclear war with Russia as of yet?) and there was no logical reason for Trump to say American stupidity was at fault for our poor relationship with Russia in the wake of 13 Russian officials being indicted. There was also no reason for Trump to have a meeting with Putin with no other American officials present.
I just looked through all "pants on fire" claims attributed to Donald Trump and the Meryl Streep thing wasn't there.
If there's another site other than politifact that uses the pants on fire rating system and you can direct me to the Merrill claim I'll take a look.
Burk explains his defense of Trump's dishonesty and hypocrisy as justified because he believes the president is a victim of the left. It's hilarious. Hilariously weak.
share"The American left is trying to paint the Russians as this mastermind conspiracy that is the reason Hillary lost,which is nonsense...."
"...only to FOX NEWS viewers, as we can' t tolerate the truth."