Why are there some people here that would appear to have preferred that Jussie had in fact been assaulted by two MAGA-cap-wearing bigots?!?
Personally, I prefer a hoax to an actual hate crime, but then again, that's just me. Not everyone puts people and compassion ahead of narrative and personal prejudice...
It isn't just an issue that he wasn't a hate crime victim. I don't think anyone would be glad if he was, except some disturbed people.
The issue here is he seems to have orchestrated a fake hate crime and then went and filed a false police report. There was some premeditation and malice to Jussie Smollett's actions. Innocent people sometimes have their lives destroyed by such actions, even if found not guilty.
Maybe Smollett has maturity issues; maybe psychiatric ones. Maybe he's just a self absorbed twit. Either way, he seems to have figuratively shot himself in the foot - the unpleasant publicity, the legal problems may have very lasting effects for him. His acting career may never recover.
I don't think having a vindictive attitude towards people who make mistakes is always the answer, but in this case the legal system may choose to make an example of him as a deterrence.
Why are there some people here that would appear to have preferred that Jussie had in fact been assaulted by two MAGA-cap-wearing bigots?!?
People are saying he has made it harder for future victims of hate crimes to be believed.
But that isn't on Jussie. That's on us.
We don't have to let Jussie's idiotic actions determine how we treat future allegations.
But even before this hoax, it has always been a good thing to be sympathetic yet cautious towards alleged victims. Give them as much support as possible, but don't categorically believe their every word until all the facts have been investigated. That was as true before Jussie's hoax as it is now.
"If he was assaulted by whites just because he's black"
He never made any allegations he was assaulted by whites. They were two Nigerian brothers with MAGA hats on. These brothers gave police a copy of the check proving he paid them 3000 dollars to carry out the the attack. This was more about trying to paint Trump supporters as homophobes than racists.
eYe, in the early reports they most certainly did say they were white. Claimed they were wearing MAGA hats and later the story was they were black with black ski masks on.
These "Nigerian" brothers we are now told they were born and raised in Chicago.
Jussie wrote them a check for $3500 and was going to pay them another $500 upon their return to Chicago.
This was to paint President Trump and his supporters like some racist lunatics who would "lynch" him. The gay slur was just an extra cherry on top.
Good question Markdown. Ask that kid at Berkeley that got punched in the face for doing nothing other than having a different opinion how damaging and dangerous false hate crimes are. Creating tension where there is none creates hostility where it shouldn't exist,as in the example I just made. Add to this instance the MANY others, and you can see how sick the left is with constantly creating these false attacks, further dividing the country. Does that explain it?
shareAww Burk man, you miss me don’t you? I honestly intended to not post again but since for some reason Malkovich hasn’t directly said it, I will: sorry to disappoint you but he is not me and I am not him. I’m clearly still lurking about but decided to give up posting about politics here. Honestly I’m happier for it. Posting about politics online is possibly the biggest lesson in futility I’ve experienced and after taking a couple weeks off I realized it wasn’t worth it to me anymore.
Hope you’re doing well, maybe I’ll see you on the other side sometime. As this is my official last post, I’ll leave you all with a quote from conservative commentator and harsh Trump critic Bill Kristol:
You know what's good about being an old-fashioned, traditional, even kind of simple-minded liberal or conservative, who's just in favor of obeying the law and telling the truth? You can oppose frauds and liars on all sides. You can criticize both Donald Trump and Jussie Smollett.
Your liberal frienemy/friend,
-Markdown
Good advice.
By the way, I've told Burk before that I wasn't you, so I saw no point in repeating it.
But you seem like a sensible fellow, so, as long as you’re not offended, I have no major issued if he's going to keep mistaking me for you.
Still not convinced, perhaps less so now. It's been a month since you posted,seems pretty unlikely you'd pop up here. Also, that is about the exact same time this other account started. Hmmmm.....
sharePeople would have preferred it if Jussie hadn't lied to authorities and tried to advance a narrative that he knew was false. He belongs in jail. Hate crime hoaxes are deplorable.
shareYou're missing the point.
Of course the hoax is a bad thing, although it would have been even worse if it hadn't been exposed, wouldn't you agree?
But given the choice between a hoax and an actual attack, isn't the hoax preferable?
Both are bad, both are deplorable, it's just a matter of which side is guilty of the deplorable act. Yes I think a hate crime is a worse offense than a false hate crime hoax, having said that a fake hate crime hoax is still deplorable and Jussie still belongs in prison (if it were real the people who attacked him would have belonged in prison also, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here). Also you are totally missing the point here, hate crimes are not an issue in this case anymore, lying to police and abusing the criminal justice system is the point now.
shareMy point is the I'm relieved that it turned out to be a hoax.
I'd be much more distressed if Jussie had been the victim of a real assault/hate crime.
Well good for you I'm glad you are at peace with yourself, now Jussie gets to face the consequences of his actions.
shareYou're confused.
I'm not defending Jussie whatsoever. I'm just thankful he wasn't the victim of an actual hate crime.
Hopefully the people of Chicago can rest without fearing that there are two MAGA-cap wearing racist and homophobic bigots prowling the streets.
Well good, I'm glad the attack didn't happen either, if it did I wouldn't want to be associated with the attackers just like President Trump didn't want to be associated with the Neo-Nazis and like President Obama shouldn't want to be associated with Anti-Fa.
shareAlso you're right, Chicago has much bigger problems on its hand such as the out of control gang violence and murder.
shareBorn and raised Chicagoan here. The crime is out of control. The gang bangers, there's no consequences! The Chicago cops know this. All the murders and crimes--we sure don't need any made up 💩.
Democrats have been running everything in Chicago for at least 80 years!
We have a serious Democrat problem! They protect the criminals.
Correlation, not causation.
Crime tends to be linked to poverty and marginalization. Support for the Democratic Party and mainstream left-wing parties (not that the DNC is particularly left-wing, but in comparison to the only viable alternative, it is) tends to be linked to poverty and marginalization. Hence why many crime-ridden cities and districts are run by Democrats.
Democrats need people in poverty so they can appear to be their savior. Only they don't do a darn thing for them.
shareNo, but the Republicans are even worse.
The Democrats are simply the lesser of two evils.
You've been brainwashed. It's the opposite way around.
shareNo-one and nothing brainwashes me.
I criticise everyone and everything.
I don't follow anyone else's narrative. I trust my own observations, instincts, and sense of logic.
That's why I annoy so many people on the political left and political right. I dance to my own beat and I don't follow the party line.
Well the real villain in this case is Jussie Smollett so it would seem that you would focus more on his crimes
shareFair enough.
BTW, I don't find you annoying. At least you will discuss a subject without flinging insults, etc. (at least from posts of yours I've seen).
Trust me, there aren't any white MAGA hat wearing 'racists' on the streets of Chicago. Illinois is 12% Republican (not necessarily Trump supporters) and you rarely even see a Trump bumper sticker, let alone people walking around advertising for President Trump unless they're looking for a beating themselves.
This is why so many from here knew this story was bogus from day one especially since he laid it on so thick! I'm just glad the truth is coming out because I wasn't sure it would.
You should also be careful about labeling people who would wear a certain red hat 'racists.' That is a major leap, my friend.
It's nice that he wasn't attacked, but disturbing that he made the story up. I hope this doesn't hurt real victims by not having their story believed.
shareI'm also a little confused on why he deserves any sympathy considering he never was the victim of a hate crime attack.
shareMalkovich, do you believe in law and order?
shareYes.
shareJust not for him though, right?
shareYes, for him.
What makes you think I don't?
You've said in multiple threads that you want authorities to go easy on Jussie.
Why is he so special?
Isn't it possible if he gets off easy it will only encourage others to pull stunts like this? Maybe an example should be made out of this instead.
He should do the maximum time and pay back the resources used on his fake case.
I don't believe in making examples of people. Yes, I know deterrence is a strong means of combating crime, but you're playing with people's lives here, and no individual should be held responsible for the criminal acts committed by another.
So, in all fairness, Jussie should be treated the same as anyone in his position.
I only suggest leniency because I think it's in the interests of the society Jussie tried to falsely incriminate to show him that he's wrong. That it's better than the false narrative he concocted.
You're a conservative, right?
Well, you know what the worst thing is that you could do to Jussie and his defenders, like DoggieDaddy, ultravioletx and the others? The worst thing you could do is prove them wrong. Show them that cons are not as bad as they think.
It robs them of their narrative. It leaves them with nowhere to go. They can no longer play the victim card.
What I meant by being made an example of is that he shouldn't be treated with kid gloves because he's a celebrity. I only meant that he should pay the highest penalty for the crimes he committed. Nothing more, nothing less. And in doing so, maybe then others will think twice about trying it themselves.
In thinking this way, I don't see it as playing with people's lives. In fact, Jussie played with people's lives by creating a story to make blacks and gays look like targets to white, (dare I say racist🙄) Trump supporters!
I still don't quite understand your reasoning as to why you think leniency should be called for in this case.
Yes I'm conservative.
Those you mentioned, many of them don't want to have an actual discussion. They would rather fling insults and pat themselves on the back for what they think is the best comeback (many of which are so worn out).
Even though you and I may not see eye to eye on much, I give you credit for at least trying to have a discussion without things either becoming personal or just straight up disagree on everything just because of an opposing political belief.
I would never wish a hate crime on anybody.
It's not about preferring he had been beaten vs a hoax. It's about HIS personal hatred toward Trump and his supporters. It's about him breaking laws to make a group of people he hates look bad with no regard of innocent people taking the blame of his sick orchestrated crimes. Was he hoping for a race war on top of it?
What he set out to do came back on him. Jussie premeditated this act. Had it not backfired on him, he would have been labeled as the victim and half of the country as responsible.
I'm glad Jussie wasn't really attacked and beaten but my compassion has its limits for someone who ultimately became the actual attacker on at least half of America. He deserves prosecution and punishment.
Cause racial tensions in the land of the free is already at pretty dangerous levels.
So peeps are angry about him trying to turn things even more hostile via a hoax.
The media is already being labeled fake - so them running with this story makes them look even worse. Having said that - I don't feel bad about the mainstream media, given how running fake stories is the norm these days.
Personally, I prefer a hoax to an actual hate crime, but then again, that's just me. Not everyone puts people and compassion ahead of narrative and personal prejudice...
But that didn't happen, did It?
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