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Remember that girl who carved the backward B on her face and claimed she was attacked by black Obama supporters?


I do, but I feel like there's an entire Right Wing right now who are convincing themselves that only a "Liberal" would make up an attack:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_Todd_mugging_hoax

In October 2008, Ashley Todd, a volunteer for the U.S. presidential campaign of Republican John McCain,[1] falsely claimed to have been the victim of robbery and politically motivated physical assault by a supporter of McCain's Democratic opponent Barack Obama.[2] The story broke less than two weeks before the 2008 United States presidential election on November 4.


This is a total flashback.

The differences to Jussie:
1. Her plan was stupid and she executed it stupidly.
2. It was attempted election interference because of the timing.
3. She was a Republican operative.

But only a Liberal/Democrat would do something like this, right?

LOL

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Her plan was stupid and she executed it stupidly.
This is not different from Jussie.

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Different levels.

I remember right wingers buying into the story en masse, because it validated a popular view that "the blacks" were gonna start rising up due to Obama and coming after "the whites."

Her being a literal Republican volunteer (operative) attempting blatant election interference... that was no big deal to Republicans.

She was just a lone wolf. Lone fox?

Jussie of course is emblematic of Democrats in general, Juss because lol

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But his plan was still stupid and he still executed it stupidly. That's a bit redundant. There's no way to have executed his plan wisely because it was just stupid by its very nature.

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A good plan can be done poorly and a bad plan can be pulled off. Bad plans have worked before.

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But a stupid plan will always be pulled off stupidly.

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Very sad things have come to this. For a long time now we've had people wondering if "victims" are setting people up for a financial or political agenda. At some point, they will be right, which feeds into the idea that victims might have their own agenda and are not being harmed by Men.

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A percentage of people are going to be dishonest. Some of them will pretend to be victims.

People have pretended to be stranded motorists just to snare good samaritans, rob them, even murder them.

Nothing to do. Can't start dismissing all victims because of a few bad apples.

It's not like they're Muslims (yes that is sarcasm).

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I bet a competing list could easily be assembled, but I have no reason to do that.

I dislike politics itself and take no side. This is the kind of theatricality politics encourages.

To me it's all just one big psychology study. Same with religion.

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You didn't compile as I know where you got that list.

Oh and am I a Democrat? Who have I voted for in the last two Prez elections?

Lol how quickly I put you on the defensive and how quickly you decide to invent something incorrect about me!

That makes you a liar lol.... Very fitting for this topic, liar!

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I have no side in this, but when you ignore somebody, they have won.

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Oh and as for falsehoods, the Republican party largely supports a President who blatantly, compulsively lies.... and they ignore that AS HARD AS THEY CAN.

Instead they point out others lies, aka play the distraction game, aka engage in whataboutism.

No Trump supporter can call out lies until they admit to Trumps endless lies for years.

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David Dennison
John Miller
Mexicans are Rapists
Mexico's paying for the Wall
I will Repeal and Replace ACA within 90s Days of my Presidency
There are good people on both sides (when describing NeoNazis and equating them to their protesters)

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You're offering to respond to Trump lies? (Oh wait, you only said you'd READ it)

I hope you respond, because his board is FULL of supporters who gnash their teeth daily, but not a single one of them would address the substance of this topic (most of them wouldn't even respond to it, and the ones who did respond would not acknowledge the content and would evade instead):
https://moviechat.org/nm0874339/Donald-Trump/5b1360f6aea4400014afda45/19-times-Trump-called-jobs-numbers-fake-before-they-made-him-look-good

I brought this one up many times, linked to it repeatedly, bumped it repeatedly, and they just kept running away. I've posted it to Trump supporters on Facebook with no luck.

Not one of them will admit they even read it! They just run away.

It's a simple question, too: Was Trump lying about unemployment for years before he became President, or has he been lying about unemployment since he took office?

I like big lies, and misleading people about the economy is a major one. There are more... for example:
https://moviechat.org/nm0874339/Donald-Trump/5b679d8cbff7be001439759d/Trump-Administration-caught-lying-about-American-economy-and-poverty

As you can see, they didn't even want to TOUCH that topic. Substantial lies don't get acknowledged.

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And your point being? Are you completely isolated?

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Okay so...

You're the other one who listed Nathan Phillips, the only other story I recognize from these lists.

1. There was no crime involved, no hate crime allegations and no hoax. It was an out of context video and situation.

2. Based on that, why would I assume the rest of your list is applicable? One bad apple has thrown your entire list into doubt (I know you agree with that sentiment because you are pushing that sentiment!)

3. Why did you run off like all the others when I posted Trumps biggest lies even though you asked for examples? I'm tired of no one being brave enough to even acknowledge his lies about unemployment rates.

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No, several liberals/Democrats did it. But stupid doesn’t belong to just one side. For instance, tying it to the election when there was over a week before the election. A big story needs some feeding to last three days, anymore. Smollett’s hoax lasted as long as it did because there were constant leaks.

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Did this come up as responding to you? I clicked Froggie's OP, so it shouldn't have. I was going to go all snarky and say, "You found the one! Good for you!" There are probably others, too. But we see liberals doing this all the time, which says all there needs to be said.

You've got a point about Tyson, but I don't care if a woman is stupid, on the make, or looking for a payday -- if she eventually decides it was a dumb idea, she should be able to say, "No." I had a guy telling me that there was only one reason I could have been inviting him into my apartment. I actually invited him in to talk. Seriously. Maybe that makes me really stupid, but good grief! People still just talk, don't they? 🤷🏼‍♀️

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"For instance, tying it to the election when there was over a week before the election."

LOL @ nitpicking

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Actually not nitpicking. The way news cycles turn over in this country, we forget what everyone was talking about a week ago. A week is an eternity in the news. Over a week and you can forget about it — literally.

For instance, a week ago everyone was frothing about how stupid Ocasio-Cortez’s Green New Deal is, and how the same people who jumped on Smollett’s story and ate it up with a spoon despite the obvious, ludicrous red flags, had jumped on her Green New Deal as the new savior of the world. Who’s talking about it now? Not many. And next week, there will be another story that we’ve dropped everything to talk about. It happens every dang week.

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The news cycle was slightly different in 2008 when most phones were still phones instead of portable internet browsers.

You're comparing the last gasp of the "pre smartphone era" to our modern time a decade later where smartphones are ubiquitous.

Not a good comparison, sorry to say.

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I was alive way back then, and it wasn’t that different.

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Yes I remember her. and here is the thing...
"Rightwingers" condemned her for it. Thought her asinine and stupid.

Secondly... other than her, can you come up with another case of "rightwingers" faking a crime against them?
I am sure if you dig deep enough you may find one or two, but that is about it.

I can come up with case after case of Leftwinger's faking crimes by rightwingers against them. MULTIPLE cases.

So if you are looking for some moral equivalence of "oh but we do it too" you failed.

1. Anti-Muslim hate crime in Michigan turns out to be a hoax
2. Bisexual student fakes Trump-inspired hate crime
3. Gas station racism goes viral—then police debunk it
4. White men rob Muslim woman of her hijab and wallet–except it never happened
5. Church organist vandalizes own church
6. “Drunk white men” attack Muslim woman in story that also never happened
7. White guy sets his own car on fire, paints racial slur on his own garage
8. Prankster tricks liberal journalist into spreading anti-Trump hoax
9. Student writes anti-Muslim graffiti on his own door
10. Israeli man behind anti-Semitic bomb threats in the U.S.
11. Hoax at St. Olaf College
12. Fake hate at Air Force Academy
13. Kansas State fake hate crime
14. Racist graffiti carried out by nonwhite student
15. Waiter fakes note calling himself a terrorist
16. Waitress fakes racist note, blames law enforcement
17. New York woman’s hate crime that wasn’t
18. Drake U. student faked racist notes
19. The Covington incident with a fake veteran Indian.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/03/bogus-hate-crimes-trump-conservatives/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887323628004578459014086443112



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Even if all of these are real hoaxes -- the right wing still wins when it comes to committing actual hate crimes. That guy who drove his car into the crowd at Charlotesville. Killing that woman. Then the right-wing have the nerve to say she died of a heart attack. Tell me, dum-dums. Did all the people whose bones got crushed -- did their bones have heart attacks too.

And let's not forget the MAGA bomber.

And let's not forget the synagogue shooter, whose only bone of contention with Trump was that he wasn't racist enough.

But but but muh hoaxes! Hoaxes should be denounced, but they never physically hurt anyone. Unlike right-wingers.

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"I can come up with case after case of Leftwinger's faking crimes by rightwingers against them."

You aren't coming up with this and HarvardBarbie didn't compile his/her list. You're copying and pasting.

Your stories aren't proof that Republicans are innocent of this kind of thing. All it proves is that no one has posted a matching Republican list.

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"Yes I remember her. and here is the thing...
"Rightwingers" condemned her for it. Thought her asinine and stupid.

Secondly... other than her, can you come up with another case of "rightwingers" faking a crime against them?
I am sure if you dig deep enough you may find one or two, but that is about it."


Agreed; While it is just as wrong when a RW-er does it, these seems to be many more of these hoaxes coming from people of the left.

BTW, weren't you on the IMDb boards for TDA and OTB? Your username looks familiar.

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TDA, the Day After?
OTB??

Yes I was on The Day After, and a great many other boards too. regularly posted on about 40+ boards back when this was the IMDb forums.
Stupidest thing IMDb did, was get rid of the forums rather than fix the trolls. Mostly Military films, Hunt For Red October, etc...

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TDA, the Day After?
OTB??

Yes I was on The Day After, and a great many other boards too. regularly posted on about 40+ boards back when this was the IMDb forums.
Stupidest thing IMDb did, was get rid of the forums rather than fix the trolls. Mostly Military films, Hunt For Red October, etc...
On the Beach.

I remember you and I agreed with you most of the time on IMDb.

I was hoping that you'd show up here.

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"19. The Covington incident with a fake veteran Indian."

Oh and I keep seeing this listed, which puts the entire list into doubt, because there was no hate crime and there was no fake reporting or hoaxing involved in this one. It was just an awkward social situation which was seen out of context in the video that spread.

Why is this listed as a "bogus hate crime" and why should I assume the list should be otherwise accurate (this is the only one I'm immediately familiar with too since it's the most recent)?

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I take your point about Covington being a hate-crime (or any crime) but the media did make mistakes here and say that the kids were at fault, yelling things at the Indian gentleman and it turned out to be nothing of the sort.

The main concern that many people of diverse political beliefs have is that so many people assumed that Smollett and others who report such hoaxes were telling the truth and automatically jumped on Trump (and by extension, conservatives in general) for fostering an atmosphere of hate and describing Smollett as being the victim of a modern day lynching.

Then it turns out to have been a likely hoax.

And yet they were so sure, primarily, I think,because the story fit their narrative of Whites and especially White conservatives being bigots.

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People respond initially to how a story is first spread. That's just how it happens. Same as with my example in the OP, which is provided for a striking balance.

If Smollett faked a hate crime, then he faked it to everyone! Same as Ashley Todd.

Furthermore:
If this (most likely fake) fake hate crime had occurred in a vacuum, you might have more of a point, but the power of the hoax ONLY comes from ACTUAL hate crimes that have occurred in the last two years -- A spike followed Trump's election.

What Right-wingers are also trying to cover up with their overreaction to the Smollett story is that they tend to call "hoax" a lot, especially when it "reflects badly" on them, so to speak. Claiming Antifa was riling up the poor beleaguered White Nationalists, or that the pipe bomber was a Liberal conspiracy, or even things like the Caravan being a Soros-funded Left-wing conspiracy.

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Furthermore:
If this (most likely fake) fake hate crime had occurred in a vacuum, you might have more of a point, but the power of the hoax ONLY comes from ACTUAL hate crimes that have occurred in the last two years -- A spike followed Trump's election.

What Right-wingers are also trying to cover up with their overreaction to the Smollett story is that they tend to call "hoax" a lot, especially when it "reflects badly" on them, so to speak. Claiming Antifa was riling up the poor beleaguered White Nationalists, or that the pipe bomber was a Liberal conspiracy, or even things like the Caravan being a Soros-funded Left-wing conspiracy.


Or that these type of hoaxes mainly originate from liberals and are then spread by a media and others that are more interested in virtue signalling than they are in straight reporting of the news.

Remember the Duke lacross team or the UVA phony rape scandal? These stories seemed as tailor made to the narrative of men, especially White men oppressing women and or minorities as the Jussie Smollett case, and the media ran with them as well.

Granted that there are cases of real hate-crimes out there but there are also a hell of of a lot of hoaxes too. And even though I don't think you would, I include the Kavanaugh allegations. Accusations with no corroborating evidence. After all Dr. Ford had no motivation to make false accusations, this reasoning seems to go, so her accusations had to be true. And then when her story fell apart, some people used the fact that Judge Kavanaugh showed anger as evidence that he had a temperament unfit to be confirmed.

But, yes; to some the Left can do no wrong. The fact that they're pure, righteous and fight bigotry even where it doesn't exist, as in the Smollett case or the Duke lacross or the UVA rape case, trumps everything.

After all, you should never let a chance to signal how virtuous you are go to waste.

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If someone really wanted to, and I'm sure someone has, competing lists of right-wing hoaxes can easily be listed.

Since you stick the Kavanaugh stuff in there, I'll reference the ENTIRE birther movement as one big racist false-flax "hoax controversy."

Alex Jones specializes in "hoax controversies" and does it to a damaging degree that literally puts people's lives in danger.

Just going back to the Obama years, we could probably find all kinds of right-wing fakery. One comes to mind: Death Panels! Another comes to mind: Benghazi!

This is what politics does to people, IMO.

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It does occur on both sides of the political spectrum. I've never denied this and you give a couple of very good examples of absolute nonsense, especially the Birther movement. But not all of the birthers were motivated by race. They were opposed to Obama's policies so much that they were willing to try almost anything to undermine his legitimacy. That was a case of wanting very much to believe it; so much so that the facts didn't matter. It was very stupid but in some cases at least, it was motivated by politics not by race.

So, yes; this is what politics does to people--on both sides of the political spectrum.

On this point you and I are in agreement. I hope it doesn't hurt you too much.

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It's wonderful to agree... cheers!

Oh and an amusing side note, this board suddenly makes Moviechat look like a busy site.

Where do all these users go when there isn't a controversy?

Lol I wish the whole site was like this!

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In all of the fake hate crimes.. there was no hate crime. the crime is in the faking it.

The News media put it out there as the covington boys harrassing the indian man, who they also put forth as a veteran.

The truth was that the Covington boys were standing up to hate from a different group and the Indian guy (who is stolen Valor) chose to harass them.

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The Phillips story is completely unrelated to fake hate crimes. No crime, no hate crime allegation, and no hoax. It fails all three categories.

I invoke the standard associated with this Smollett situation: One bad apple has thrown the entire list into doubt.

That's the standard being pushed, and people who push strict standards will always fall to those same standards. This goes for Left, Right... whoever.

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Yes I remember her. and here is the thing...
"Rightwingers" condemned her for it. Thought her asinine and stupid.

Secondly... other than her, can you come up with another case of "rightwingers" faking a crime against them?


Exactly, thank you. That's because of this:
https://moviechat.org/nm0810620/Jussie-Smollett/5c6eef623ac0e34a0c82c3de/Hoax-hate-crimes-are-only-given-power-by-the-spike-in-ACTUAL-hate-crimes

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Instead of taking sides why can't we just step back and acknowledge that it's wrong no matter which "side" does it. It's the very thing that perpetrates division and divisiveness in this country and is helpful to no one.
I waited to pass judgement on this guy (that I wasn't familiar with before now) because the whole rush to judgement in this country is always so tasty to its opposing side and so often proven wrong.
Sadly it seems that here's a guy that wants to promote racism, homophobia and the victim mentality along with the political divide to establish stereotypes of preconceived notions of good guys and bad guys... and there's no excusing it.
Oh..and certainly he wanted attention for a small career that he has now destroyed.

Instead of justifying it by searching for opposing examples why not take these situation as wrong regardless of bias and be able to see the big picture instead ?
These sort of hoaxes are harmful to us all.

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"Instead of justifying it by searching for opposing examples"

I wanted to remind people who obviously didn't know the story in my OP because a narrative was building of "only" liberals doing this.

The right-wingers who flipped into defense mode and started posting their lists of left-wing hoax crimes (many of which don't fit that narrative) are the ones blatantly engaging in justifying the 2008 fake attack.

Now the claim is "liberals do it more though" which is another conclusion they're jumping to without any evidence or study.

Oh and I'm happy to condemn both sides, as well as all of politics.

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I must have lost that one in the 1000's and 1000's of Fake Liberal Hate Crimes since

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LOL @ multiple thousands. Exaggerate much lately?

Also, yes, continue to push your one-sided narrative.

Are there thousands of fake conservative hate crimes? MAYBE! You don't know. No one has bothered to compile or find a list.

I'm sure you had forgotten about this example until it was posted, so who knows what else you don't know.

You really enjoy jumping to conclusions.

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I hear CNN has these little mats all around the office that you can lay on the floor that have different Conclusions written on them that you can jump to. A Jump to conclusions mat if you will

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https://dailycaller.com/2019/02/21/chicago-police-smollett-city-look-bad/?utm_medium=push&utm_source=daily_caller&utm_campaign=push

This is what Chicago Police Department Superintendent Eddie Johnson had to say:

The superintendent’s conclusion was simple: Smollett’s actions would ultimately hurt legitimate victims. “They do harm to every legitimate victim who is in need of support by police and investigators as well as the citizens of the city,” he said.


I agree completely.

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Shhh! Don't spoil the klan rally by pointing out that this kind of hoaxing is committed by people people of various social, political, & ideological backgrounds,very much including their own ilk

p.s. i and many reasonable people were highly skeptical of Smullets sketchy story from the onset.

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Lol exactly.... though today I expanded on this a bit in my follow up topic.

And I agree on the sketchiness, I was pretty much watching to see how it would turn out and didn't want to buy into it in either direction until real facts came out

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