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Sanders Crushing Trump in Polls 53 Percent to 38 Percent, Seen as Strongest General Election Candidate


Is there some reason why we don't deserve the best? Is there some reason why we can't have nice things? We can.
Some were saying he was too old before yet Trump is old, fat and crazy. But the fact of the matter was...
Sanders Crushing Trump in Polls 53 Percent to 38 Percent, Seen as Strongest General Election Candidate
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/tony-brasunas/sanders-crushing-trump-in_b_9862708.html

The best president of the 20th century was Franklin D. Roosevelt who lead the USA out of the great depression and into victory over Fascism. He was such an incredible president that he won 4 consecutive terms and was so old (for the time) and sick that he died while serving his 4th term.

The great thing is he is still the best presidential candidate.
20 Reasons Bernie Sanders Is The One To Beat Trump In 2020 (*Backed By Data)
https://medium.com/@brianhanley_41165/20-reasons-bernie-sanders-is-the-one-to-beat-trump-in-2020-backed-by-data-593b0ad179e4

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Bernie is 77 years old. He's not going to be around when his many programs bankrupt the country.

Oddly enough, many people love his giveaways until they discover that they'll actually have to pay for them, one way or the other. You can tax the rich people until they don't have any more money -- and strangely enough, that would include Bernie Sanders -- and you still couldn't pay for all the new entitlements he wants plus all the old ones. And the bill is coming due pretty soon. Maybe not in Bernie's lifetime, so what does he care?

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Hmm Trump will be 73 this year, 4 years is not a big difference.

"when his many programs bankrupt the country."
Bernie Sander's programs will be much like the programs in Europe where they enjoy a stronger economy and higher standard of living while the American infrastructure crumbles. You just don't believe Americans deserve nice things. In fact Germany has an export surplus and even exports its surplus renewable energy. It's programs have made them RICH RICH RICH!

"Oddly enough, many people love his giveaways until they discover that they'll actually have to pay for them"
We're already paying for Trump's giveaways to the rich but we aren't getting anything in return for them. Bernie will give our money BACK which will make us healthy, wealthy and educated. Trump's budget is a record $4.7 TRILLION dollars! Bernie will shrink that.

"and strangely enough, that would include Bernie Sanders " He's not rich, he lives in a modest house. But Trump is rich, doesn't care about you nor America and wants your MONEY to give to his rich friends and to pay for things like his golf courses. It is what they have always done and everyone knows that.

We're already paying for Trump's entitlements and his vacations, security for his family and their lavish lifestyle is costing taxpayers more money than any president ever before, so much that Trump has added a whopping $1.1 trillion to the budget deficit PER YEAR. https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-budget-increases-national-debt-deficit-2019-3?op=1

So Bernie being infinitely more responsible will pay that down just like it had been happening during the Clinton years.



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How old are you? Four years matters a lot in geriatrics.

Fancy 50% taxes, do you? My husband's on Medicare, so I can tell you, Medicare for all is something I want to avoid if I can. The Scottish system that Trump wants to bankrupt us with -- they're both socialists under the skin -- has some horror stories I could tell you! A woman I know who works in Scottish healthcare was stunned that my husband could get the tests he needed -- before he was forced onto Medicare -- to diagnose his cancer as quickly as he could. "He'd still be waitin' if he were here!" she said. He'd still be waiting if he was on a Medicare for all plan.

I hope Trump and Sanders' finances are thoroughly investigated so you can see what a modest house he lives in. I just looked it up -- he has THREE houses, "But Sanders has raised eyebrows over his spending and personal wealth. Notably, he owns three houses. In 2016, he bought a $575,000 four-bedroom lake-front home in his home state. This is in addition to a row house in Washington D.C., as well as a house in Burlington, Vermont.

"...VTDigger reported in May that he made more than $1 million in 2017 -- $885,767 of which came from cash advances and royalties for his book, 'Our Revolution' on his failed 2016 presidential bid. It’s the second time he made roughly that amount, making more than a million in 2016 also." He's what's known as a "Limousine Liberal."

It isn't just Trump's Mar-a-Lago vacays that have added that much to the budget deficit. And I'm not sure if that's per year. But after Obama's spendy vacations to Martha's Vineyard and Hawaii each year, plus Trump's "Southern White House" gambit, I'm for a law that says that Camp David is the one and only Presidential getaway spot, period. If they want to go anywhere else for R&R, they pay for it out of their own pocket, security, staff and all. We've got to shut that stupidity down. And the Missus can stay at the Executive Mansion, vacation at Camp David, or she can get a divorce. I'm sick of this.

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Personally, I think Trump watched what Obama was doing and said, "I can do that!" And, of course, make money at it. Another law I'd like is that they have to divest themselves of any and all foreign investments, real estate, the works. That way we'd have no worries about them doing deals to line their pockets.

Although, as I said elsewhere, Obama entered political life as a fellow from the middle class, and came out in that hated 1% of multi-millionaires. If they know how to do it, they can really line their pockets. I imagine Trump's cleaning up.

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What pushed Obama into the 1% in office came primarily from his book royalties in '08-'09. That was entirely above board and legitimate income.

If Trump is cleaning up, I'd bet it's not at all above board or from book sales. The real question is whether and how he and Jared are selling off US foreign policy to line their pockets.

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Obama was in the 1% before he got in. His wife alone was making over $300,000 a year as a diversity inspector for a hospital, a fake job, and apparently also friends with hoaxers like Jussie Smullette. Once in office, he "sold off our foreign policy" by starting even more wars than George Bush. When he left office, he was partying with foreign billionaires like Richard Branson. He served their interests, a good house negro.

Trump on the other hand is the opposite. His own man, he took the most politically incorrect positions possible prompting all businesses to cut ties with him. He has dropped hundreds of places on Forbes list of richest people and has so far refused to go along with the media in finishing off Obama's war against Syria and the rest of the PNAC targets. Notice that the Mueller probe only began winding down when Trump started selling out America First for Israel First, the exact opposite of what you said. Trump is going to be the one and only president to leave office with less money than when he went in. You're not the resistance. You're the status quo.

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300k a year doesn't get you into the 1%.

If you're going to accuse Obama of selling off US foreign policy to line his own pockets you need proof. Partying with Branson after leaving office is not proof of anything except that ex-US presidents get guest listed by billionaires to their parties.

There's no proof Trump or Jared are lining their pockets by selling off US foreign policy either for that matter. I'm just speculating based on the odd favoritism given to Russia, Saudi Arabia, and UAE that one day proof will be forthcoming that they did personally benefit.

And in no way can Trump be called "his own man" when he inherited his fortune from his father.

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I'm in favor of a reciprocal action law. If you believe in gun control, you're not allowed to have private security. If you believe in global warming, no private jet. If you're in favor of immigration, no gated community. If you're in favor of censorship, you don't get to have internet. Etc...

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You are my hero.

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^^^^thank you!!!!^^^^

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#FAKENEWS

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Fake people use hashtags. Real people use words.

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FDR is only the best president if you're going by who killed the most people. He was in a wheelchair and the media covered it up so he could get elected. Remember when Hillary kept coughing and falling? She lost. Mass murder isn't as popular as you'd like it to be anymore.

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LOL FDR saved the most people and freed the world from Fascism, mass murderers and slavery. He turned the Republican caused Great Depression into the most successful version of the United States had ever been before. He was such a great president that he was elected 4 terms. TV had barely been invented. There was no "media" that people could see him in a wheel chair. They listened on the radio. Crooked shallow people like yourself use people's appearances against them but you think being in a wheel chair was being used for him? Make up your mind. You're evil and corrupt and the piper is coming for you.

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Actually it took WWII to get us out of the depression. And just as G.W. Bush was popular at the beginning of the second Gulf War, any President is going to be popular when we're all pulling together fighting a common enemy. He'd have been one of the least popular Presidents if we'd had television and it was covered like the Vietnam or Gulf wars. Think of all those coffins coming home, all those reports from bloody battles, reporters zeroing in on dead children in England and in Germany. I think that's what he was driving at. We don't have the stomach for taking one for King and country, or being the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave anymore. We're too busy being keyboard warriors.

And yes, the people DID cover up the fact that FDR was in a wheelchair. Rare was the picture of him in one. Imagine that restraint on the part of the press. It's not as if no one knew, but often he had two aides or two strong sons holding each arm when he stood (with braces), and at most functions he was seated first and the crowd gathered later, so they wouldn't see him wheeled in. What little coverage there was -- going down to Hot Springs, Arkansas -- made him look healthy and on a spa vacation.

There are books out there about the time. One of the most readable and amusing is "Washington At War," by the late David Brinkley.

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LOL. Beware of the Piper...

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TDS Fake Poll! Actually very close. Look at Biden vs Trump!

Real polls: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/national_general_election/

General Election: Trump vs. Sanders FOX News Sanders 44, Trump 41 Sanders +3
General Election: Trump vs. Sanders Emerson Sanders 51, Trump 49 Sanders +2

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And the more people understand about socialism, the less they like Sanders. They love the idea of free stuff until they realize someone's going to have to pay for it, and if they can afford a computer, chances are it's going to be them.

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A new PPP poll a week later. Sanders leads by 8 and Biden by 13.

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biden is a fuckin pedophile dude. no way that pedo is gunna have a chance against the trumpinator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1p9lVmOnzo

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I thought Trump was the pedo.

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maybe but uncle joe is most definitely one

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pedo vs pedo is a wash.

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dude who is probably not a pedo > uncle joe who is a confirmed pedophile based on the footage of him touchin all those little girls inappropriately and sniffing there hair in front of a bunch of cameras. if he has the balls to be so fucking weird in front of all those cameras imagine how he is when they are off

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Trump boinks his daughter. He's a pedo.

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unless i see it on tape i dont believe that. uncle joe being a dirty rotten kid diddlin madman now that something i believe

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Trump diddles Ivanka all the time. That's why she works in the White House.

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ur dad probably diddle ur ivanka thats why u fantasies on such filth

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“Is it wrong to be more sexually attracted to your own daughter than your wife?"

Ivanka was 13 when he said that. How much more proof do you actually need?

Why are you such a big defender of kiddie diddling? Only diddlers defend diddlers.

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yeah idk if he actually said that its pretty sick but i never seen it or heard it. got a link?

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https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/tamerragriffin/trump-asked-if-its-wrong-to-be-attracted-to-his-daughter

Nor is that the only thing he's ever said. He's got a history of letting slip his hots for his daughter. What non pedo does that?

https://www.elitedaily.com/p/9-donald-trump-quotes-about-ivanka-that-are-super-uncomfortable-8646720

Time to face the brutal truth. Trump's a daughter diddler.

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I´ll give Trump the benefit of the doubt, Biden´s actually been caught on camera being a pedo.

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Trump was best pals with prosecuted pedo Jeffrey Esptein. Trump says Epstein is “a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”

That's pedo talk. He's also talked many times about getting it on with his daughter. Trump's a pedo dude.

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Pedos aren´t exactly public about what they get up to. Look at Harvey Weinstein, a lot of celebs were chummy with him, doesn´t make them sex offenders. Right now, if you took a poll on who was more pedo than the other. Biden would win in a landslide...

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Weinstein wasn't a kiddie diddler, just a rapist.

That's why I know Biden's not a diddler, because he's a Dem.

Kiddie diddlers are exclusively republicans. Just look at Roy Moore, Denny Hastert, Mark Foley, and now Trump.

http://www.1776again.com/2018/03/06/republican-party-pedophile-list/

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So you´re a moronic troll... good for you.

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lulz. You know I speak truth. That's why you can't refute my point.

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First, I don't trust polls. They're always inaccurate and slanted towards whoever wanted to make them in the first place.

Second, Bernie Sanders is a fool and a panderer. He doesn't give a damn about "equality" and making life easier for people who have fallen on hard times. His idea of socialism is living like a king while the rest of us peons are treated equally like shit and have almost nothing. I wouldn't believe a word he says.

Third, Franklin Roosevelt is not the hero our history books painted him to be. He never got us out of the Great Depression. In fact, he made it WORSE. He is also responsible for forming our federal government (which now regularly oversteps is bounds in running our country from behind closed doors), taking away the Gold Standard so now the Federal Reserve can print as much money as the govt. demands, and now we have economic boom-and-bust cycles going on every few decades. He also admired Hitler and the Nazi way of life, as well as socialism. The only reason we got out of the Great Depression was because WWII started, and Europe was buying weapons and equipment from America.

Trump will run over him faster than he did Hillary, mark my words.

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You might want to try getting your history from someone other than Rush Limbaugh. Roosevelt did not take us off the gold standard, Nixon did. Look it up.

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I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh.

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Ok. Well whatever alt-reality think tank you're sourcing your economic history from, it's clearly not working out when you get such basic historical facts wrong.

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Trump is done. In 2016 the Democrats put up a status quo candidate who was about as out of touch as you can be without actually living on Mars. A lot of independent voters and even some traditional Democrats took a chance on Donald Trump. He's lost those movable votes and even some moderate Republicans. Votes he can't possibly win without. Mostly what he's got left now is the hard core base, because those are the ONLY people he's made any attempt to please. And the things those folks can't get enough of are toxic swill to everyone else.

It almost doesn't matter who the Democratic nominee is. Making another epic mistake like Hilary Clinton is the only way they could conceivably lose, and even Hilary might win this time around. Maybe you're one of those people who's practically orgasmic about all the constant raging, and railing, and middle school Twitter bullying, and easily provable outright lying ... but most Americans are sick and tired of listening to it.

Besides if you're familiar with Alzheimer's, Donald Trump shows definite signs of the type of memory lapse common in early stage patients. Here's a recent example. Just one of many.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUPsNgmXR7M

He's always been a seat of his pants bullѕhitter who paused in mid-sentence to fabricate whatever he was about to say next. But this kind of confused rambling, tripping over words or drawing a blank, which has been happening with greater frequency over the last few years, is not normal. It's unlikely he could remain functional in office until 2024. Well before then, we'd see him up on stage with a world leader spacing out, totally forgetting why he was there or even where he was, and making it really obvious with his disoriented babbling. Most people fall silent when they don't know what to say. He unfortunately talks MORE.

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Not only did Trump take down the Clinton dynasty, he took down the Bush dynasty as well, in the most expensive election in world history. But not from his side. It was Hillary who spent more than double what he spent. Plus, every facet of the establishment was foaming at the mouth against him. We heard nonstop about how he was a clinically insane Russian agent who would kills the gays and start WWIII. Not a single newspaper endorsed him. Go ahead and try that again. Trump now has experience and is working from the inside. America has a higher reelection rate than the Soviet Union ever did.

I don't think it matters who Democrats put up, but you know they're going to try and force Kamala.

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Trump didn't take down the Clinton dynasty. Putin did. Trump is just his puppet.

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You know who took down the Clintons? It was the Clintons.

Vladimir Putin plays Trump like a cheap fiddle, and Trump thinks the guy is his friend. What a dumbaѕѕ. Wake up McFly! He's not supporting you. He's supporting the US falling flat on its face. You're merely the tool.

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fake news!

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If we can't get FDR back to serve, Bernie will do fine!

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