Bernie gonna run!
Run, Bernie, run!!!1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIfh0ZPmV3Q
He might have a shot in 2024.
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He's a few points behind Harris: https://electionbettingodds.com
shareWhy? He no chance of winning a nationwide election. He is too far left.
sharehe is old
shareHaha, if he gets through the primaries, can you say "landslide?"
shareYou can say it, but there's no way in hell he's going to be president.
shareYou made that ridiculously easy to counter, didn't you? That's also just "something you can say."
shareIts unlikely he gets through the primaries, he couldn't do it against Clinton. People confuse Bernie's success being because of him when it had more to do with peoples lack of love for Clinton which continued to the overall election. The only difference if Bernie had made it through is we wouldn't have had the split on popular vote and electoral. Trump would have won both. Bernie is not a national candidate, if he makes it through you might as well say 4 more years to Trump or if Trump doesn't run which is a possibility it would likely be a walk in for whoever the Republicans toss up.
shareI guess only time will tell. The game is played on the gridiron.
shareI don’t think it’s in the least bit implausible to predict that the backlash against the least popular president in the history of presidential politics could be responsible for delivering something like a Bernie Sanders. Add to the mix, four years worth of older people aging out of the electorate and four years worth of younger people entering, and I think the potential for things to get real interesting exists, biggly.
shareIts possible, but there is one thing that he can hang his hat on. If the economy continues to improve and people are getting jobs and getting off assistance. When it comes to election time they are not going to choose a guy that is likely going to destroy all that because he is more PC in his word choices.
shareIt has been more than 8 years since the crash caused by Republican deregulation and war. Obama was responsible and held things constant. People are not getting jobs, most of what Trump has been done has been bragging about stuff that did not really happen. Get ready for bigger deficits even than under Bush, and the return of inflation.
shareBernie beat Clinton and out-raised her in funding - the only reason he did not win was the rules of the Democratic primaries and the Super-delegates that were pledged to Clinton before the campaign even began.
Americans cannot win if they have to pay for exorbitant education and health care costs as well as shouldering the tax burden of all the corporations ... the whole middle of American will be sucked dry, and Republicans will have a field day.
He did not beat Clinton, he hung around is all. If you care about US financial future for ALL Americans Bernie is not the guy. He is a socialist and will push things that way. I have no interest in socialist programs that will not work in this country. He can't even compare the countries correctly. Prime Minister of Denmark straight out said he is wrong. The Scandinavian countries relied heavily on free market practices to get where they are, and Denmark itself has been rolling back welfare programs because of the long term issues with them. You don't want people on assistance. You want the opposite. Bernie would push more people on it not off. And business are rarely successful outside a free environment. If Bernie is such a big fan of socialist countries why did he get upset over the corporate tax change when it was clearly too high based on those countries..and the world in general. On top of that he praised the lowering of middle class tax..which if we mimicked those countries would actually have to go up and more people would have to pay taxes than they do now.
Their are no truly successful real socialist countries, Scandinavian countries are his bread and butter and he wants the programs he sees there but he doesn't understand the reason why they can do some of that, why the countries aren't truly socialist, or why there has been a lot of pressure to cut back on the welfare programs in that area.
1. Bernie beat Clinton in raising money, and in getting votes that were not super-delegates, or pledged to the winner by the Democratic rules.
2. You do not seem to realize that the stock market is not a measure of how well the American economy is doing. There is not such thing as the free market, the European countries do so well because of regulation and an educated workforce. Socialism does not rule out capitalism ... socialism is about putting people and democracy before money, that is all.
3. Capitalism is also not the same as the free market. Free market is for trade. Sometimes counties have to be protectionist. The US and everyone else is protectionist on some things.
The rest of your points are just plain wrong. For one thing the people of Europe know that the socialist principles, free health care, free education, safety net and the welfare society keep life from being miserable and unfair for the majority of people. Clearly the US doesn't believe that, but every other developed country does. You arguments are simply outside of all reason and based on your own beliefs and faith.
If you took away all the super delegates Clinton still would have had more, the delegate gap between the two of them was larger than what the superdelegates covered. Doesn't matter how much money you raise its who wins. Money does not equal winner, which is a damn good thing or ever single campaign would be even more suspect than they already are. Make no mistake Clinton was not a well liked candidate, Bernie benefited from that greatly.
You apparently don't know what socialism is, socialism does rule out capitalism. Socialism is community control (government) Capitalism is private control (you and I) countries like Denmark use the latter and get a great deal of its wealth from the latter and the high taxation of most of its population. Even though the population of those Scandinavian countries are not that diverse and they for the most part work very well at agreeing they are still running into trouble with the welfare programs and they have been scaling or attempting to scale some of them back and have talked of cutting tax rates.
People in this country believe socialism seems to be just some beneficial programs that will be paid by the money fairies (rich people). That is pure fantasy. TO even attempt to do what countries like Denmark do, assuming you can for a country as large and diverse as ours (we have about 20 states with larger populations than Denmark, that makes a huge difference when attempting something like this). You would have to raise the taxes substantially on everyone and a lot more people would have to pay the taxes. Those people would have to be working so you cant over tax the businesses and the rich or you will dry up the employment. Which is why countries like Denmark don't have the kind of taxes on businesses and the rich people advocate here to cover such programs.
I use Denmark, because Bernie has a thing for that country. Even though what he says and what they do are not the same thing.
Just because you can write a long verbose comment does not make you right. I'm not going to argue with you because it would be a waste of time, but you are wrong.
shareBernie’s campaign was where the energy and passion was in the 2016 primary. After he lost the primary, the fire died out and we were left with Hillary’s low lit fumes. He came close, and had the DNC not been fully in the tank for Hilary from the beginning things would be different today. Also, all states should allow open primary voting (im looking at you Nee York).
shareI don't think it would have been very different, you would still have a socialist that would have to defend his view against someone that would have far better knowledge of money and business than he has. I think he would have been exposed on a wider election against someone like Trump. I could be wrong, but he was in kind of a liberal protection bubble while in the primaries and wasnt as tested as he could have been because Clinton herself had to be careful about how she countered his arguments. Trump on the other hand could have rolled out all the truths related to socialism and once it got out the the reality of what would need to be done to get the things Bernie wanted I think he would have sunk. I still say if Bernie made it Trump simply would have won it all rather than just the electoral college.
Bernie plans would have required raised taxes on everyone and most Bernie supporters simply don't believe that..and that is the problem...Bernie was trying to sell a dream with no chance of reality in the way he tried to craft it. Its very attractive to people that the government will take care of your responsibilities for free. Except socialism doesn't work that way nor do the countries he uses as examples.
Check 12c DD on your W-2. That is your corporate tax for health care.
The people of the United States pay twice as much for generally worse outcomes than people of Europe.
Trump, Clinton, or Obama were not going to change that even though a majority of Americans want a single payer health care system.
Let me him run. Then he'll find out the DNC rigged it yet again but this time for female Harris. XD
Poor Bernie.
Bernie will win all of the hand counted caucus states, and a neo-liberal bank backed Democrat will win all of the states with unverifiable electronic voting machines.
The DNC purge of Bernie supporters a few months ago also means that the super delegates will once again back the corporate candidate.
even if he does win , big elephant in the room, still has congress to go through, promises unkept, government shutdowns,
sure he can reverse all the crap trump did at least of endless excutive orders, get medicaid for all,
is trump gonna us Mexican cartel money to build his wall? we'll see
He has to run, or America has no hope.
shareI like Bernie Sanders a lot, but he is 76 years old. Will he be healthy in another three years to run for president?
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