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She is wrong about transgenderism


Science has proven that gender dysphoria is real and that the best option for people affected by it is to change their gender via surgery. Rowling is causing harm to a marginalized group with her opinions specially due to how large her platform is.

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WTF? I would consider it a mental disorder... Your DNA lays out the foundation of who you turn into male/female then the only thing that changes that is your brain in which you're confused or feel like you don't belong in this body. If that isn't a mental disorder, I don't know what is anymore. Now you're saying for people who are suffering from this mental disorder is to just give them the full organ change paid for by the tax payers (most likely scenario). I heard that for male to female tranny's they need to keep making a hole in their 'supposed' vagina because the body keeps trying to HEAL THE OPEN WOUND.

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Exactly. If I went around telling people that I felt like I was a baby and I started walking around in diapers and a rattle, people would call me crazy. And I was actually a baby at one point. Why are we supposed to accept a person who feels they are the opposite sex as it not being a mental illness? They need help, not encouragement.

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“ They need help, not encouragement.”

There is a very dark and terrifying theory on why they are being lauded by MSM and all of the trans critical commentary is getting shut down on the major platforms.

Check this out. It’s a quick and scary read:

https://uncommongroundmedia.com/the-rainbow-reich-transgender-ideology-and-totalitarianism-part-i/

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This is pretty much saying what JK Rowling is saying and I agree with it.

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Ew, “heal the open wound.” That just makes me sad.

But most of them don’t even want a sex change. They just up and declare they are the opposite sex. So now we’ve got men competing in women’s sports and winning of course- accolades, prizes, scholarships. These are trans men with full male bodies and you are a bigot if you say that’s unfair.

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This article outlines a much more robust analysis than the Science Daily article ElSofoque posted.
(This is the link to the flim flam study elsofuque posted, which s/he has since deleted for unexplained reasons: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/05/180524112351.htm

The findings I link below involved two separate studies, 15 named scientists, and nearly 7,000 test subjects.

PNAS - Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences is the second most cited scientific journal.

https://www.pnas.org/content/112/50/15468

“Our results demonstrate that regardless of the cause of observed sex/gender differences in brain and behavior (nature or nurture), human brains cannot be categorized into two distinct classes: male brain/female brain.”

“Documented sex/gender differences in the brain are often taken as support of a sexually dimorphic view of human brains (“female brain” or “male brain”). However, such a distinction would be possible only if sex/gender differences in brain features were highly dimorphic (i.e., little overlap between the forms of these features in males and females) and internally consistent (i.e., a brain has only “male” or only “female” features). Here, analysis of MRIs of more than 1,400 human brains from four datasets reveals extensive overlap between the distributions of females and males for all gray matter, white matter, and connections assessed.”

“Moreover, analyses of internal consistency reveal that brains with features that are consistently at one end of the “maleness-femaleness” continuum are rare. Rather, most brains are comprised of unique “mosaics” of features, some more common in females compared with males, some more common in males compared with females, and some common in both females and males. Our findings are robust across sample, age, type of MRI, and method of analysis. These findings are corroborated by a similar analysis of personality traits, attitudes, interests, and behaviors of more than 5,500 individuals, which reveals that internal consistency is extremely rare.”

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This makes sense in the same way that people have different hair colors, eye color, skin tone, ear shapes.

I imagine a line where the most feminine characteristics are on the left and the most masculine are on the right. A high majority of people would align with the side best represented with their physical sex. There are, however, some that will be closer to the center and even some that are on the opposite side of their physical sex. The are physically one sex while their "brain" has characteristics of the other.

Does this make sense?

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“I imagine a line where the most feminine characteristics are on the left and the most masculine are on the right.“

Who defines which are feminine and which are masculine characteristics?

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From your post:

Rather, most brains are comprised of unique “mosaics” of features, some more common in females compared with males, some more common in males compared with females, and some common in both females and males.

One option would be to put the features more common in females on the feminine side and those more common in males on the male side. Based on your post a high majority would be in the center but there would be some on the left and right sides.

Another option would be to take information from those that are transgender and determine what characteristics do they feel make them they are described as the wrong gender.

The intention of my original suggestion, is to look at gender and sexual orientation as we look at any other things that is determined by DNA. It seems odd to me that we can classify hair color, eye color but admit that vary but do not do so for who we are attracted to.

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According to the study, the constants were negligible.

And there are, btw, studies on sexual orientation and DNA, some say yay, some say nay.

I’m sure they’ll figure it out eventually.

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No she isn’t.

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"Science has proven that gender dysphoria is real and that the best option for people affected by it is to change their gender via surgery."

"Science" is not some unified collective voice, scientists around the world disagree on almost every topic in many ways.
You are just here because you have an agenda, you care not about an honest debate or the opinions of others. You lean back claiming "science is on your side" while you yourself do not understand one bit what you are talking about as your subject expertise is, and you have proven so already, zero.

Is gender dysphoria real? Certainly.
Is the best solution always changing gender? Oh my God no, and countless transgender people wish they could reverse their decisions of the past, but they cannot. Hormone therapy is irreversible, and obviously especially plastic surgery is as well.
Then there is the strong indicator of the insane suicide rates among transgender people but you will probably educate us in a minute that these poor souls all kill themselves because of "bullies" or something.

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“"Science has proven that gender dysphoria is real and that the best option for people affected by it is to change their gender via surgery."

Kendricks, I’ve no doubt you get the gist of Rowling’s message.

The OP is terrifyingly robotic in his/her statement.

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Hey, what happened to the Science Daily article you had linked here?? Why’d you take it down??

Here it is: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/05/180524112351.htm

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Guess that settles it. It's science.

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Are you being sarcastic? lol

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People just need to realise this kinda thing is a spectrum and not an either/or, black or white thing, and most of us are fortunate enough to be closer to either end with no doubts as to our gender.

I work with two trans people, one of whom is resolute, confident and self assured; the other openly discusses their mental health issues and self-diagnoses a lot, which begs the question how could they ever be sure they're on the right path? I am worried for the latter person given their predilection to label themself with various psychological disorders, but at the end of the day it has to be their decision.

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“ the other openly discusses their mental health issues and self-diagnoses a lot, which begs the question how could they ever be sure they're on the right path?”

Why does their self diagnosing beg the question how they could ever be sure they’re on the right path?

I don’t see the correlation of an introspective person who is trying to identify their personality traits with being unstable regarding their “right path.”

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Because the person is repeatedly assuming they have additional mental health issues to their existing ones, thus calling into question their ability to make an accurate judgement call.

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“Because the person is repeatedly assuming they have additional mental health issues to their existing ones, thus calling into question their ability to make an accurate judgement call.“

So, the person has been diagnosed by a doctor and they are claiming to have issues that the doctor didn’t find?

I’m not questioning your logic. I just know that there’s no doctor on Earth who could ever know me like I know myself.

I’m not a mental health professional but I don’t need to be to get a rudimentary knowledge of my personality traits.

I just don’t see how this person’s suspecting that they may have certain issues that haven’t been diagnosed makes them seem like they have bad judgement over their own condition.

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Objectively it wouldn't, but none of the issues they've self-diagnosed have been by a professional. I also said it was concerning given their choice to transition, not a surefire sign of poor judgement.

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“Objectively it wouldn't, but none of the issues they've self-diagnosed have been by a professional.“

Ok, well obviously not.

You’re hopped up, aren’t you?

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Yes, Charlotte. Everyone but you is wrong as usual.

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“Yes, Charlotte. Everyone but you is wrong as usual.“

It’s ok honey. Every thing is going to be ok.

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Science has "proven" a lot of things that have since been dis-proven.

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Science revises and improve it's theories as new evidence becomes available. That doesn't makes science unreliable.

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I never said it was unreliable. Just an observation.

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