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https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/21/seth-rogen-calls-senator-ted-cruz-a-white-supremacist-fascist-13944551/

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id never say trump was a white supremacist. although would say he supporting fascism lite when he tried to overturn an election he knows was legitimate.

id just say cruz is a disgusting rat like opportunist, but not a racist

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If you think that election was legitimate, you are not the voice of reason. Also, I don't think you really understand what fascism is. The marriage between The Democrats and Big Tech is much closer to actual fascism.

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yes so all those court cases were rigged too. ohh and all the media. oh and all of trumps witnesses just happened to be total jokes.

yes we know you dont know what fascism actually means. is this the new buzzword making its way around right wing forums? everything is now fascist? first it was communist/

you seals sure do clap when told to and repeat your lines like good parrots

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So you didn't even look at the evidence and you are here making claims about said evidence? That is not what intellectuals, or those purporting to be "the voice of reason" do. Have you even looked at the court cases? I don't think you have. Most were dismissed for some BS technicality like "lack of standing" and never even heard the evidence. The Pennsylvannia appeals court and supreme court both agreed that the actions the PA SoS state took violated the state constitution (which should have made the election null and void), but what the state supreme court did was copout and say it was "too late to issue a remedy" . Twenty plus state AGs signed on to the Texas lawsuit. They wouldn't have done that if there wasn't merit to the case. The truth of the matter is that no podunk judges (or SC judges for that matter) wants all the fire that will come with tossing a presidential election due to fraud.

Perhaps you should enlighten yourself before you dive into these discussions again. Here is a report by Harvard trained economist Peter Navarro

https://navarroreport.com/

This is just one report of several that addresse with old school election fraud, and as you can see, there is plenty of it, and this only includes the swing states. Surely there was more elsewhere.

You may have heard about fraud using Dominion voting machines. Here is the report on the single forensic analysis that was permitted, and it shows extensive fraud via the voting machines.

https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/20423772-antrim-county-forensics-report

After reading this, it is interesting that elections officials in Maricopa county (which uses Dominion) are fighting a forensic audit tooth and nail. The only explanation I can think of as to why they are doing it is because they know fraud would be found. If it was all above board, would think they would welcome an audit.

At any rate, do some research before you go spouting off. Otherwise, you just come across as ignorant.

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yes man over 60 cases trump lost post election trying to overturn it. may overseen by trump painted judges. But no one knows the real evidence but you......

no giving credence to your delusions is not reason. This is the problem with republicans now. They think that because they have an opinion or feeling this equals evidence and a valid concern for others.

"BS term". lol says I didn't look at the evidence. is confused by cases got dismissed

he Pennsylvannia appeals court and supreme court both agreed that the actions the PA SoS state took violated the state constitution (which should have made the election null and void), but what the state supreme court did was copout and say it was "too late to issue a remedy


https://www.inquirer.com/news/pennsylvania-election-trump-lawsuits-legal-challenves-id-mail-ballots-commonwealth-court-20201112.html

um no that literally never happened.

Twenty plus state AGs signed on to the Texas lawsuit. They wouldn't have done that if there wasn't merit to the case.


twenty republicans would sign to support republicans? what about all the Dem Age who countersigned asking for it to be dismissed? of course they have no merit though?

this is the conspiracy rabbit hole you have gone down. there is no help for you

Perhaps you should enlighten yourself before you dive into these discussions again. Here is a report by Harvard trained economist Peter Navarro


yes the trump appointee. no way he is biased!? honestly you are delusional


lYou may have heard about fraud using Dominion voting machines. Here is the report on the single forensic analysis that was permitted, and it shows extensive fraud via the voting machines.



did you read it? he had a spelling mistake in the SECOND SENTENCE. without researching im going to guess this is some Qanon nonsense of a guy who never actually even saw the machines. one sec let me look.

oh nope just a crazy republican who has gotten so much wrong

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/dec/04/russell-james-ramsland-jr/affidavit-michigan-lawsuit-seeking-overturn-electi/

A chart included in Ramsland’s affidavit lists 21 Michigan cities and townships, five of which are alleged to have recorded a turnout above 90% in November’s election, while 10 purportedly saw turnout of exactly 100% and six surpassed 100%.


It is difficult to imagine that a turnout rate above 100% — let alone 782% in the City of North Muskegon or 461% In Zeeland Charter Township — would have escaped election officials compiling the statement of votes cast. But beyond the implausible turnout rates Ramsland alleges, there are other glaring problems with the list. Shelby Township is named twice. So is Zeeland Charter Township, with two vastly different turnout rates: 90.59% and 460.51%. Ramsland lists "Fenton" without specifying Fenton City or Fenton Township. But the turnout Ramsland lists for Fenton does not match the turnout in either jurisdiction.

The actual turnout statistics reveal the inaccuracy of Ramsland’s numbers. His figure for North Muskegon is off by a factor of 10: The actual number is 78.11%, not 781.91%. For Zeeland Charter Township, he inflated the turnout nearly sixfold. For Grout Township and the City of Muskegon, his number is more than triple the correct number.


The guy is crazy and has been caught just fabricating and pulling numbers out of thin air. this is your source im supposed to be impressed by?seriously man you need help. you are going into conspiracy land. you need to stop

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Spouting off when you haven't even looked at the evidence makes you.....ignorant. Should change your handle from Voice of Reason to Voice of Ignorance.

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I just completely destroyed your nonsense. but it seems you want to believe craziness because admitting otherwise would show you were duped.

YOUR MAIN SOURCE FABRICATED DATA. Hes a joke and you are becoming a joke listening to this nonsense.

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Politifact got discredited stop peddling junk "factchecks" that have literally been debunked.

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politifact got discredited? like the whole organization? hahah I love when people make such profound and big assertions with no evidence.

you seem to have learned well from trump. step 1: tell the biggest lie possible. step 2: provide no evidence

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Maybe you need to get your brain factchecked and don 't spread more conspiracy theories. You provided zero evidence to support your claims yet think you can expect it in return? You sound mentally ill.

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You seemingly dont know how burden of proof works do you?

when you make a claim like the election is stolen YOU have to provide evidence. so when I checked his links, it turns out the so called "expert" was laughed out of court for fabricating evidence.

there was no county that had a 700% voter turnout. this was just one of many mistakes.

yes im mentally ill because I side with the experts and the judges (many trump appointees) who didn't buy into the conspiracy theory.

"you are mentally ill!" he screams while wearing his tin foil hat furiously typing about a conspiracy theory

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You've provided zero evidence of your claims. Provide evidence or GTFO

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lets start with some grade 10 basic critical thinking.

lookup "burden of proof". read up on that. then we can talk like adults. because intellectually you arent currently at that level.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/zoetillman/trump-election-court-losses-electoral-college

damn so many cases lost. but everyone in on the conspiracy against him and you right ;)

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from a quick glance at your other posts not only are you into conspiracies, you are also trying to race bait on here. posting randomly about "diversity' and other topics you perceive as woke to play the victim and get attention.

is this the alt account of that other race baiter I was talking to a few days ago? im new so im not really sure who is who and who are socks of whom

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Lack of evidence noted. Attempt to deflect also noted. Buzzfeed posted as some type of evidence? Holy shit you retard.

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https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-campaign-lawsuits-election-results-2020-11 0 of 42 cases! damnnn you guys are #winning!

so do you have any cases that show massive and concerted voter fraud happening?

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Still waiting for evidence.

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you do not know how evidence or a burden of proof works do you?

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"I have no evidence, please let me deflect" There I translated your post from woke retard to English

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ill explain it to you slowly.

YOU are making the claim the election is stolen. You have the burden of proof to back that claim. You are making a positive claim that requires evidence.

what little "evidence" I was provided with by your other conservative colleague only took seconds to verify was totally non credible.

I then, even though I didn't have to, provided you to links covering the court cases trump lost relating to his claims of a stolen election.

he has won 1 to date and it wasnt even about stolen votes or any of his big accusations.

SO as I said. the burden of proof is on you to provide evidence of a massive electoral steal.

is your brain broken?

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I claimed no such thing, so typical of your type to lie. Link to post where I claimed the election was stolen.
Pathetic deflecting away because you have nothing, you claim the sources TearsofLys posted are not credible but then you post sources which are not credible. You claim Trump lost over 60 cases when Trump's only had 2 cases. What you post is worthless junk.

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"I claimed no such thing"

that was what this entire post and exchange between me Tearsoflys was about

WHICH YOU JUMPED TO

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-michigan-voter-turnout-idUSKBN28R20M

theres another source. ALSO politifact wasnt the source. the hearings and court cases it was dismissed in was the original ones. which is why trump has lost every case.

please go away troll. you dont deserve attention

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"YOU are making the claim the election is stolen. You have the burden of proof to back that claim. You are making a positive claim that requires evidence."
I claimed no such thing and you failed to link to a post where I did, You have zero credibility. I hope you can get your brain fixed.

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lets hypothetically say I make the claim trump is a pedo and bring it to court and I lose.

And when you demand I give you evidence of it on here to back up my claims about trump. like you I just scream "still waiting for evidence!!!!! give me evidence!!"

that's not how evidence works, I dont have to provide evidence THERE WASNT a conspiracy because that makes no sense.

its like proving Bigfoot. its not up to the other side to DISPROVE Bigfoot or else he exists.

its called logic

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Your little fantasy scenario would be all well and good if I ever claimed bigfoot existed but that is a massive strawman like 90% of your posts.

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LOLLLLL you dont even know what a straw man fallacy is. bye troll!

you did claim that massive voter fraud occurred (the claim Bigfoot exists)

bye troll enjoy being alone!

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Oh you should be able to link to the post where I claimed massive voter fraud occurred then. I'll wait!

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Come on dude, if I did claim it like you said it should be incredibly easy to link to the post here. I wonder what is taking so long...

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I HAVE LINKED IT MULTIPLE TIMES. are you this slow?

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Am I taking crazy pills or something? You have not ONCE linked to a post of me claiming massive voter fraud occurred! YOU ARE A LIAR!

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get your attention elsewhere troll! enjoy your boring night begging for others to talk to you

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You got completely owned and look like a fool right now. You've linked to news articles and things but not a single link to a post on this site where I claimed what you claim I claim! FFS! Your posts are not credible! You have discredited yourself!

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get help troll. your need to get attention from a actual humans who care about you.

that's the ticket! just claim others are discredited. maintain that bubble at all costs. the worlds in a conspiracy against you and your dear leader!

you've learnt well from the koolaid sipping

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Zero links from you VoiceofRetard, keep crying. I've never claimed there was massive election fraud.

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whatever helps you get attention form people who dont care about you! enjoy your lonely life

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Eat shit

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"Spouting off when you haven't even looked at the evidence makes you.....ignorant. Should change your handle from Voice of Reason to Voice of Ignorance."

Ignorance and obstinance is an insufferable combination. The "VoiceOfReason" is also oblivious to what fascism is in practice. If he had the slightest clue he'd know that the sort of censorship now advocated by many Democrats is tool of fascist government and far more "un-American" than anything Trump ever did, including his travel bans.

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Weird that you say Cruz is a "rat-like opportunist" when I think he's one of the few people in Washington who seems to take a firm stance on things and stick with it. He's a Christian, constitutional conservative and he doesn't swerve into lanes that betray this ethos, even when politically expedient.

You can contrast that with most other politicians who just go with with the path of least resistance and do what they think will get them the most votes. I did not like Cruz in 2016 but he slowly gained my respect.

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im sorry you respect such a garbage person. good luck with that

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Let me guess. . . Biden voter?

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never. or voted Dem in my life. care to try again? you've already twice wrote embarrassing things. first that you respect one of the most hated senators who is a slimy rat and one of the dumbest people in American politics

Second you made a bald assertion when you have no clue what you are talking about.

keep this embarrassment train going!

https://wearemitu.com/mitu-voice/11-times-ted-cruz-proved-to-be-a-bigger-asshole-than-donald-trump/

what a respectable guy. which is your favourite quote from this genius?

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LOL. Oh sorry, I didn't know we were going to start to throw insults at each other.

Let me exit stage left. You can exit stage Left. I guess this is more of that "tolerance" I keep hearing about.

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"let me guess, Biden voter" he says condescendingly. gets called out for his baseless assertion. "how dare you insult me!"

im new but do you always play the victim on here?

lol couldn't help but ;eave without another basic conservative "im the victim by the mean left" trope.

please do leave. You came to be the victim and congradulations conservative victim checkbox checked!

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get your attention elsewhere I told you. this is getting so sad

you re legitimately suffering from mental illness its why you keep bringing it up.

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Typical Leftie hypocrite douchebag, we're doing the exact same thing posting on a message board, but it's different when you do it, isn't it?
Your punctuation is going to shit, are you OK? Are you having a mental breakdown?

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yes its different when you stalk someone to interject on something you arent part of then spend hours raging, talking about conspiracies, claiming anyone who doesnt agree with you is mentally ill.

you did it again. this is what the 4th time? you are self projecting it on me. If you are actually suffering from depression and anxiety seek help.

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Stop "stalking" me dude. That's what you just did by using the reply function right? Is that the claim? That by using the posting and reply function on this site just like you do, I am somehow depressed and anxious? So you must be too when you do it? Or no, not you. Rules for thee but but not for me. Fuck off. People like you are fucking pathetic, you retarded hypocrite.

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well you won't last long here. it was lovely chatting but you are unstable. good luck with life

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"Unstable" "depressed" "anxiety" "stalking"
Attacks people then calls them victim when they defend. Ladies and gentlemen I'd like to present a 101 in being a fucking gaslighting Leftie douchebag.

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yes you've brought up mentally unstable/mental illness 8 or more times now for no reasons. You actually have serious issues. please get help

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"Unstable" "depressed" "anxiety" "stalking"
Attacks people then calls them victim when they defend. Does the exact same thing they accuse others of but give themself a pass for it while claiming somehow you are in the wrong for the exact same action. Ladies and gentlemen I'd like to present a 101 in being a fucking gaslighting Leftie douchebag.

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VoiceOf"Reason" is probably 15 years old and hoping angry, party-line liberal virtue signaling will get his cherry popped.

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He's made more posts on this site than I have so by his own standards he must be a raging obsessed mental case right? :D

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why do you keep talking about mental illness. Jesus man get off here and talk to a doctor.

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"Unstable" "depressed" "anxiety" "stalking" "talk to a doctor"
Attacks people then calls them victim when they defend. Ladies and gentlemen I'd like to present a 101 in being a fucking gaslighting Leftie douchebag.

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repetition. more signs...

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By replying again are you stalking me?

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I wasn't being condescending, just taking a guess that you don't usually vote Republican. And I stand by that guess. Are you going to tell me now you voted for Trump?

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I think my favourite is “‘Net neutrality’ is Obamacare for the Internet.”

not only because in classic cruz fashion its a lie. its so monumentally stupid too!

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He criticized Trump and Trump insulted him and he turned into his lackey once the Donald became the president.
Cruz is a spineless populist.

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Shit happens during a political race and once the race is decided it's time to be friends.

Did you see where Kamala Harris accused Joe Biden of inappropriately touching women during her campaign and insinuating that this should disqualify him as a candidate? Well, we know how that worked out. She was more than happy to "believe women" until he called her up asking her to be his VP.

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Cruz doesn't deserve civility. He's a fascist piece of trash.

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Yawn. Sure thing pedo.

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Classy! That must be it! So, you're definitely 14 years old.

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There's as much evidence you're a pedo as there is Cruz is a fascist. You pedo.

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You should stop by my party. Everybody wants you there!

https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/60077fa639fe0e4cb94bce7a/This-thread-is-a-party

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A forum party. So, you're definitely 12 years old then. LMAO typical projecting from your type, pedo.

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See, it's stuff like that that's making everyone clamor for your arrival! You're so popular over there. Everyone talks about how insightful and friendly you are. You should really make time for it.

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I'm sorry I don't speak woke retard, can you translate that to English?

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It roughly translates to: I love you more than words can describe. Your misfortune is fucking delicious.

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What I find amusing is that you've not once denied being a pedo. It's almost as if -
A) You know the accusation is true, or
B) You know your own accusations against Cruz are as credible and are knowingly speaking utter shite when calling him fascist!

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Sheer poetry, your words. The lyrical content of your posts is downright literary.

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Of your 1k posts how many would you say are of the "lalalallalala I can't hear you because I'm an emotionally stunted retard" variety like the last few you have posted?

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Probably a fair amount. I'm not particularly mature, but I'm sure having a good time. Thanks for that!

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Like I thought and called, typical projection from your part. Enjoy your party!

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Thank you so much!

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Cruz is one of the most principled senators we have.

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Dude, you're too smart for the room.

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lol

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Are there any Republicans that you think "deserve civility"?

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