Why are all (almost all) the men on this page so upset about Ellen, turning into Elliot? Did it make you think you’re now gay so you’re upset? There has to be some sort of reasoning similar to that. Why would you even care? Nothing he/she does is going to affect the outcome of your life. Just be happy that they are now happy.
shareTHEY WERE SEXUALLY ATTRACTED TO HER...IN THEIR TINY BRAINS THAT EQUATES TO PARTIAL OWNERSHIP...SAME REASON THEY COMPLAIN WHEN A CELEBRITY GETS OLDER ON THEM.
shareIt has nothing to do with ownership. It has to do with them being attracted to her before transition, and now having to prove they're not gay because people are claiming she's a real man.
shareAbsolutely the best response!!
shareAlready made a topic about this. Many are okay with Page just minding his/her own business, but others are accusing him/her of normalizing and advocating cutting off one's own breasts, among other things we shouldn't be normalizing.
shareBut it should be normalized. Breast cancer is a bitch, and not having breasts shouldn't be considered difficult to tradeoff if it means prevention.
shareNothing healthy should ever be removed. Especially when motivated by what could be nothing more than intense peer pressure, or a belief in something that probably doesn't exist (brain in wrong body), an existential crisis, and especially a social construct.
shareShe cut off her boobs. That is a bad thing.
shareIt is her choice though. Has absolutely nothing to do with you.
shareIf you have a young daughter that sees this, becomes impressed and starts thinking that she can and should do the same... Will you be happy that she does it and still think what Ellen Page did is cool?
You raised a daughter to think that a treatment for gender dysphoria is cool. And you blame Elliot Page because of it. It makes sense.
What's next? If your daughter gets into insulin because she thinks it's cool, you blame people with diabetes? Anything but thinking what you did wrong when you raised a daughter that thinks that treatments are cool.
Transgender ideology has no scientific support. It is not based in science.
It is an ideology and social influence is a real reason for the transgender seed to be incepted. This is based on real studies.
On the rest of your comment, you are right - if my daughter grows up thinking about wanting to change "gender", I will have done something wrong. One of those wrong things is letting her grow up thinking mutilating her body and making her a medical patient for life will make her feel better.
Transgender ideology has no scientific support.
you are right - if my daughter grows up thinking about wanting to change "gender", I will have done something wrong
What do you mean "there's no such thing"? Aren't there transgender people, who change "gender" according to what their mind decides? This is an ideology, obviously.
Diabetes? Hair loss?
How can this be comparable? Those are scientific things, that can be scientifically proven...
On the gender thing, as many transgender people claim, "only a woman knows what a woman is" (lol)
You are comparing things that have no comparison. You are comparing science with personal belief/creed.
These are facts, sorry.
Aren't there transgender people, who change "gender" according to what their mind decides? This is an ideology, obviously.
How can this be comparable? Those are scientific things, that can be scientifically proven. You are comparing science with personal belief/creed.
Congrats for the lack of arguments, I guess we know what that means.
shareThere was nothing to argue. You literally said that a medical treatment is an ideology, and then you said "science" several times in a row, because if you can't tell apart between chemotherapy and anarcho-liberalism, saying "science!!" sure fixes it 🤣
shareRemoving your boobs is as much a "medical treatment" in this case as adding silicon to them...
But you are right, it is a in a way a "treatment" to a mental disorder (not officially called this anymore because people were getting depressed and ostracized - but it still is in practical terms).
Once again you are placing scientifically proven methods and diseases (chemotherapy and cancer) next to things that are personal internal beliefs. You are incapable of comparing cells that can be observed in a lab, with an ideology and internal creed that can only be experienced by each individual - and in many many cases such "disease" and "diagnostic" is admitted, by the own individual, to not be real years later.
I understand facts are hard to argue against, but those emojis are just sad if that's what you consider arguments...
Most likely I would tell her to wait until she's at least a legal adult (18) to make a decision like that. I would see if that works first. If she's still insistent, then counseling and therapy and doctor visits and see what they say, I suppose.
Whatever makes her happy. I would want her to live her life that makes her happy.. not weirdo guys on the internet.
shareWho are these weirdo guys on the internet? Is someone talking directly to her to tell her what to do?
In this thread I'm seeing people discussing this, normally.
If you have a daughter I also hope she is happy. I also hope you have the means and strength to support years of medical treatment, and hope that the treatment is really needed and that she doesn't regret it 10 years later, like it happens in many cases - because it will be impossible to revert them.
Because nothing is sadder than doctors and clinics that convince depressed kids to do treatments regardless of real need of them.
Oh cool! Self mutilation is ok now!!
shareUmmm yes. The Kardashians push it all the time.
Unless of course you are only fine with surgery if it makes the person more attractive to you?
That *was* the point of cosmetic surgery. People want to look better, not worse, ironically enough.
That said, I wouldn’t use the Kardashians as a defensive argument.
My point is that to Elliot, he looks better now. So that was the point. Just because you, or 123Guy thinks he looks worse, that's your opinion.
I only used the Kardashians because they have the platform, and although I don't follow anything about them, I think I saw some people upset about a month ago because Kim did an interview and was suggesting different procedures that the interviewer could get done to look better.
I ask, who has more of an influence in younger people? The Kardashians who have made an empire for being famous, or a transman who mostly keeps to themselves?
i was gonna go all text book on you about how mutilation is the destructive opposite of rebuilding something better, but I do understand what you are going for here. :)
im thinking of starting another controversial thread about where makeup and looks are going for women now.... could be interesting
im thinking of starting another controversial thread about where makeup and looks are going for women now.... could be interesting
if you can explain the purpose of make up has nothing to do with mate selection, in less than 5 sentences, I won't make that discussion.
Why ARE women inflating their lips to 50 psi, doubling their eye lash lengths, and getting ass implants. they want to "look good" only for themselves, right?
Go ahead, make that discussion. There aren't enough women here to have a voice anyway. It will just be a bunch of men posturing about how they do, or don't like make up on a woman. How big they do or don't like her breasts or ass.
If I want to read what men think about the way a woman looks, I just have to go to any actresses page and I will read all about it as really, that's all that's discussed.
Also, the fact that you've already said that you want to make a controversial post about it tells me that it will be filled with misogynistic hatred, so yeah. Pull out your moviebuff224 personality and give it a go.
Oh look you avoided his question and acted like a snarky cunt, how original!
sharelighten up, Francis
shareYeah maybe it's got absolutely nothing to do with you whether men discuss makeup and looks in women. Stay in your lane.
shareWhat is my lane?
shareNot trying to tell people what they can discuss. There's your lane right there. Stay the fuck in it.
shareHahahaha. I wanted to see who I was dealing with and this is the shit you post on here???
[–] Miyagido (775) 2 hours ago
Wanna know how I know you're a little tween fag? Because only little tween fags think virgin/incel/etc is an effective insult. But look at how much you seethe when I call you out for the faggot you are kek
LMFAO do you think I am ashamed of that post if I posted it on a public forum? Wanted to see who you were dealing with? Yes because that's what you weaklings do, you don't engage with the substance of the posts to you, you immediately try to look through post history for any reason not to engage. It's pathetic and ftr I'll comment on whatever the fuck I want to. You are free to ignore. Welcome to free speech faggot
shareDON'T BE A DICK...WHAT PEOPLE CAN DISCUSS AND WHAT THE SHOULD DISCUSS ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS...EVOLVED BEINGS KNOW THE DIFFERENCE...AND MANNERS TO BOOT.
shareOf course it is her choice to cut off a major part of her body. And we should treat it as an illness as a society. not celebrate the mutilation.good for you
shareFor her ardent male fans, it's The Crying Game all over again.
shareWell, honestly, she hit the wall long ago, so we didn't really lose anything when she went to great lengths to pretend to be a man to stay relevant.
But no, it was never about fearing that you might be gay or feeling insecure about your sexuality, that’s silly. It’s just a shame when a formerly attractive and talented actress would mess herself up for reasons.
I can't say I'm upset with her. I mean, it's a free country, do what you want to do. I just know that I will now have a hard time watching "Ellen Page" movies and thinking she is not really Ellen Page anymore. It's just kind of odd. Sure, it won't effect my life but now that it's public knowledge, people will comment on it.
That being said, I think it's genuinely hard to grasp that someone can actually change their gender. I wish "him" luck but someone that does this will never experience what it's "really" like to be the opposite sex. Seriously, it's nothing more than an advanced form of cross-dressing/gender-bending and then "acting" like the opposite sex.
Not that I really care that much about it, I will admit, some trans-girls are better looking than some real girls. lol...
So, if people want to do this to their body, so be it. But really, you're not the opposite sex no matter how good your doctor is. It's just physically impossible to "transition" into something you can never be. Why bother?? But then again, I don't have gender dysphoria, so I can't tell you what these people are feeling but obviously they feel pretty strong about it, otherwise they wouldn't go through so much trouble.