So you are denying that male and female brains are physically different and work differently?
Nowhere, anywhere, did I say that at all. Re-read what I wrote... slowly.
There is no prenatal "female brain". You can't be born with the wrong brain.
Everything in your link is talking about established somatic biology based on matured specimen.
In other words, post-pubescent development.
Specifically your link addresses peri-pubescent development of neurophysiological properties based on gonadal hormones influencing self-conscious behavior, recognition, sub-conscious development, and the perceptive influence of sexuality.
Once again, all of those are postnatal developments based on gonadotropin secretions that take place just after prepubescent maturity.
In simple terms, the gametes secreted to create the hormonal neurotransmitters allow the individual to
recognize their sexual awakening (or at least be perceptive to the stimuli that awakens it).
I mean, the conclusion describes these differences in detail and neither one of you paid any attention to that.
Again, they're talking about a postnatal development, specifically peri-pubescent and post-pubescent development while monitoring the results of maturing individuals who have already had their neurophysiological makeup highly influenced and altered based on environmental stimuli.
In other words, they're gauging results based on post-stimuli maturation rather than pre-stimuli development. But it wouldn't make a difference because it's literally, physiologically impossible for someone to be born with the wrong gendered brain based on a peri-pubescent development, which is, ergo postnatal.
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Jinx (3040)
3 years ago
I appreciate you taking the time to really go into depth with this but we disagree on a fundamental point, there significant differences in the ways that the brains of male and female fetuses function prior to birth. You in fact DO have a gendered brain in the womb development.
Yes society influences gender but you are born with a basic male or female brain. More white matter or grey matter has a lot to do with it but let me be clear it's not an either/or situation. The way males and females process information is very different and there are variants.
Researchers conducted MRI scans on human fetuses in the womb, studying the neurological connections between different areas of the brain, for both males and females. They found connections between parts of the female brains that were almost nonexistent in the male brains.
Research shows that the brain of a baby girl in her mother's womb prior to birth is significantly different than the brain of a baby boy in the mother's womb at the same stage prior to birth.
Here's the science:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1878929318301245#!
Do you have a link to some science that I could read that says that you AREN'T born with a gender influenced brain?
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cyguration (3843)
3 years ago
there significant differences in the ways that the brains of male and female fetuses function prior to birth. You in fact DO have a gendered brain in the womb development.
There is a huge difference between the biological organ's development and the actual cognitive function based on that development.
Just like males and females have different genitalia during prenatal development, but are asexual given that sexual expression is an outward (ergo environmentally influenced) reaction.
You keep skipping over a fundamental element of the neurophemenological process in neurophysiology related to the trans debate: people who claim to be trans-gender have
perceptually identified themselves as being the wrong gender.
As I mentioned, perception is the formation of corporeal experiences from environmental stimuli (viz., a reaction to sight, sound, smell, and touch).
How can you develop a perception for a reaction within the brain based on something that cannot physiologically happen until postnatal development?
Research shows that the brain of a baby girl in her mother's womb prior to birth is significantly different than the brain of a baby boy in the mother's womb at the same stage prior to birth.
And where in there did they examine any of the fundamental functions of the hippocampus to measure synaptic firing for cognitive mapping?
They didn't.
Do you have a link to some science that I could read that says that you AREN'T born with a gender influenced brain?
This gives a brief overview of what we call spatial navigation, or cognitive processing through spatial reasoning:
https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/BF03337774.pdf
Another prenatal experiment in relation to adult behavior via environmental stimuli:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0018506X989147
Simply put, cognitive reasoning requires environmental stimuli (i.e., postnatal development).
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cyguration (3843)
3 years ago
As an addendum to my previous comment (due to the comment length restrictions):
What your link is referring to -- and by proxy, what you're talking about -- is the biological presence of somatic development. But the discussion related to the trans debate is about cognitive development.
So cognitively you can't develop a "female brain" before you've had the stimulation to recognize that you are female. The brain matter in fetus development -- much like other premature biological functions -- is there to serve the purpose of developing the biological traits of the fetus through maturation, since there are obvious fundamental differences between males and females on a biological basis. But spatial reasoning, perception, and becoming cognizant of self (or the I.D.,) are all postnatal developments.
Think of it as computer code in a video game designed to open up pathways to new doors only after the player has reached a certain point in the game. The doors themselves are already formed based on preexisting conditions (i.e., in this case being male or female) but how they open, where they lead, and the pathways formed are entirely dependent on decisions made after the tutorial phase (i.e., postnatal stimuli and development).
Hence, perceiving one-self as one gender or another is entirely postnatal.
I'm trying not to write a novel here, but does that make sense?
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