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How do these liberal white feminists who hate white men accept that they wouldnt exist without them?


I wonder if they suffer from identity crisis.

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They don't, that's why they hate themselves and take it out on the rest of us.

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She doesn't hate white men and never said anything close to that. These threads are really so silly. As a white man I'm embarrassed how others have twisted her words to say she "hates white men" or was "banning white guys from seeing her movies." How fragile are you that an actress saying she wants more diversity sets you off like this to the point that you just start making shit up about her?

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The thing is, some people are insecure about their place in the world. Not everyone is rich and powerful or doing well. Not even every white man is Chris Evans or George Clooney, two men who benefited immensely from their white male privilege during the formative part of their career banging cocktail waitresses and making sexist wisecracks, but, now they are settled and secure in their power, feign feminist concern and support (after all, neither of these former playboy/frat boys have anything to lose); and thus t every man is relaxed about their place in the world, and so it hurts for some of them to be told, in essence, that their opinion doesn't matter. It hurts their ego, and that isn't an indictment on them because the truth is, it hurts anyone's ego to be told their opinion doesn't matter (ironically, I believe one of the messages of Captain Marvel is about the effect constant marginalization and belittlement can have, and how important it is to rise above it - isn't Captain Marvel being told in the film that her feelings don't matter?)

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I'm not rich, powerful, or doing particularly well and yet somehow my ego remained unscathed by mean ol' Brie Larson who was simply calling for more diversity. Seriously, to the white men who take offense to every perceived slight against them I say grow a sac (totally sexist expression but seems fitting).

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I'm not rich, powerful or doing particularly well either and I haven't taken personal offence at Larson's comments.

Clearly some people have blown up her statements out of all proportion. Still, even from a purely objective POV, I don't think it's ever wise to say "I don't need to know what demographic x, y or z thinks about something". Of course no-one needs to know what any white man thinks of A Wrinkle in Time, but it's still unnecessarily rude and potentially divisive. One can champion diversity and say "I want to hear more from POC and/or women" without framing it in a way that inadvertently throws another group, in this case white men, under the bus.

Also, with all due respect your last statement was rather sexist. You're saying that it's okay to have personal feelings, unless you're s white man. You're making a racial and gender-based distinction, and it's all the more egregious by the expression 'grow a sac' (you’re implying that women are naturally emotional and that it's unmanly for men to be so, to which I'd reply that it's either good or bad to be emotional and that in the spirit of equality, which I believe in, we should hold men and women to the same standard - anything else is practically the definition of sexism).

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Also, with all due respect your last statement was rather sexist.


I know, I acknowledged it was totally sexist in my post.

I'm not saying it's not okay for white men to have personal feelings. I'm saying it's embarrassing to see other white men twist someone else's words because they feel threatened by someone looking for more diversity. How fragile is someone to do that. So yes the statement was intentionally sexist because it's aimed at a group of people who seemingly yearn to be free of the constraints the current PC environment has put on them.

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"I think we could increase diversity by killing off all the white male film critics"

Agree?

Or do you see how even the best intentions regarding diversity do not provide a de facto excuse for divisive statements.

Also, in an ideal world I'd love to see as many female critics as male ones, in accordance with the population's gender split, but in my experience men tend to be a lot more obsessive about film than women, and the truth is that many of the critic reviews collated on Rotten Tomatoes belong to independent critics, enfranchised by the web, rather than professional critics hired by big publications with a diversity remit. So, what do we do about this 'problem'? Stop men posting about the things they like? Kind of akin to the Movie Chat poster who stated there were too manywhite men on this site. Should they be forced off the site?

But if we want to redress the balance should we get more men writing about fashion and beauty?

As for why there are fewer BME critics in the US, might that have something to do with only about 18% of the US population being black?

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"I think we could increase diversity by killing off all the white male film critics"


Ummm no because this is less a call for diversity and more a call for murder. Seriously the equivalence of the above to what Brie Larson said is zero.

I don't follow the fashion and beauty world too closely but I'd be willing to bet there are men writing about those things as well. I don't really feel like going in circles on this. I'm not suggesting men (white or otherwise) should stop reviewing movies. I'm simply saying I take zero offense to what Brie Larson said and the "outrage" over it (much of which has manifested itself in the form of false quotes) is pathetic.

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Is this a false quote: 'I don't need to know what a white man thinks of A Wrinkle in Time. It wasn't made for him'?

And yes, of course I was using a hyperbolic example. That was the entire point, in order to illustrate that commitment to diversity isn't a cover for stupidity and insensitivity.

And I never said that men don't write about fashion, but if you visit the offices of Vogue or Cosmopolitan, you'll find that with the exception of a few, mostly gay, men, the majority of staff is female.

I personally believe that the differences between women and men are smaller than we've been led to believe, but it's still true to say that as things stand women and men have been conditioned to enjoy different preoccupations, and so it stands to reason that some areas will be dominated by one gender over another.

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I assume it's a real quote and I'm not bothered by it. Your quote wasn't hyperbolic, it was a false equivalency. Hyperbolic would've been along the lines of saying "fuck white men, I don't give a shit about what they think about anything." It would be an exaggeration and certainly not what she said considering she used one particular movie to illustrate her point. But your example involved actually killing people. Sorry, that's not an exaggeration but an outright false equivalency.

Again, not going in circles with you on this. If you are truly offended by her Wrinkle in Time quote, that is your right and go ahead and boycott or take whatever action you see fit. But I stand by my belief that the outrage, which seems to be based largely on misquotes and has led people to rate down a movie they haven't even seen, is pathetic.

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You're confused.

Where have I said that I'm going to boycott Captain Marvel? Where have I defended the idiotic boycott? Where have I even said that I'm personally offended or bothered by Brie Larson's statement?

All I'm doing is saying that I think her statement was ill-considered. The response has been absurd and I think most of it is misogynist posturing from people who were looking for any reason to hate on a female-led superhero film. Still, I really don't think Larson's statement, taken literally, was very helpful.

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I'm not confused because I never claimed that you said any of those things. I said If you were offended and wished to do those things that is your right but I stood by my position. Based on your last post it seems we agree on a lot of this issue. I just personally see Brie's comment as less an issue than you. And life goes on.

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That sounds fair.

Still, my whole argument is all about empathy, even towards people you and I might be inclined to dismiss as sexist assholes.

We need to end this culture war bullshit. We need to stop the tendency to pushback.

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How do these conservative white manbabies who hate women accept they wouldn't exist without them?

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This is the whole point.

Sexism, including gender supremacy, is moronic. We all need one another. Don't we?

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