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Does she think she's black?


Anyone?!?

She looks like a lily-white Eurocentric blonde woman to me.

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Rubbish.

Her Wikipedia and Ethniceleb pages says she's French-Canadian, English, Swedish, German, Welsh, and Scottish, and has distant Metis blood (although how the latter has been verified, I do now know).

Apparently her idiot father had a dysfunctional relationship with her. That might explain a lot. I guess he's the dipshit to blame for her feelings towards older white men. Thanks a lot Sylvain Desaulniers. You utter prick.

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Do you think you're smart? I can't see any reason for your title.

I shouldn't be complaining, Guitar King (904) is a loony!

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She gives off this 'I hate white men. I'm desperate to be photographed with black people' type of vibe.

I'm a huge Spike Lee fan myself, but I wouldn't embarrass myself by trying to share the spotlight with him, as Brie appears to be doing in one of the photo links that keep popping up on the bottom of my screen.

And her 'I don't care what forty-year-old men have to say about film x' comment came across as unnecessarily rude. I know that she thought she was being woke and trying to promote diversity, but you don't go about it by rubbishing white men of a certain age. You do it by promoting the groups you're trying to support.

But it would be very easy for me to say 'I don't care about the opinion of a Eurocentric white movie star in their twenties. She should check her privilege'.

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I like her. Looking forward to CM. Don't care about all the conjured controversy surrounding things shes said.

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Earlier on you said "I'm tired of the SJW nonsense". Interesting how you edited your message to say you now hope Captain Marvel beats up a lot of people on account of their gender and skin colour.

Did someone get to you?

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I'm pro-social justice, but anti-kicking white men just for the sake of kicking white men.

Is it possible to reconcile the two things?

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Yes I'll delete that part.

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You're last, edited, post was good. I'm not sure why you deleted it.

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Top Ten Things I've learned from your post:

I'm a huge Spike Lee fan myself, but I wouldn't embarrass myself by trying to share the spotlight with him, as Brie appears to be doing in one of the photo links that keep popping up on the bottom of my screen.

And her 'I don't care what forty-year-old men have to say about film x' comment came across as unnecessarily rude. I know that she thought she was being woke and trying to promote diversity, but you don't go about it by rubbishing white men of a certain age. You do it by promoting the groups you're trying to support.
1. Are you the only person using this account? Your posts are all over the place.
2. You're clearly NOT from the USA. Can't vote in USA elections. Are very much afraid of most everything.
3. Brie didn't embarrass anyone but you I guess because you clearly are projecting.
4. She never said 'I don't care what forty-year-old men have to say about film x'. Prove it. Link it.
5. You're NOT a mind reader or Psychic. You have no idea what she THOUGHT.
6. She didn't rubbish White Men. Maybe YOU felt rubbished but I highly doubt you're 40 years old.
7. You have the privilege to state falsehoods. You shouldn't do it nonetheless. It's not flattering to your alter egos.
8. Something popping up on the bottom of your computer that is annoying you? GET OFF THE COMPUTER!!
9. You detect she has a "I hate White Men" vibe? I think your hate white males detector needs calibrating.
10. Looks like you never been photographed with Black People in your entire European life? There is something amiss with you. Are you jealous of Brie?


Brie never said the quote that you attribute to her.

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Oh great. You're one of those tiresome self-righteous a-holes.

1. Yes, I am the only person using this account. I don't know what you mean by my posts being 'all over the place', but perhaps you take umbrage with me being independently-minded and not following a set and limited playbook. Unlike a lot of people who post on social media today, I prefer open-minded and rational centrism, to narrow-minded and partisan extremism.
2. Have you got a problem with people who aren't from the USA? In that case, you must be a xenophobe. In which case, you have no moral leg to stand on.
3. Maybe it's not embarrassing to you, but it looks pathetic to me. I am familiar with how privileged white 'liberals' act around POC.
4. “I don’t need a white dude to tell me what didn’t work for him in ‘A Wrinkle In Time.’ It wasn’t made for him"
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/brie-larson-wants-more-than-just-white-dudes-reviewing-films_us_5b228ae5e4b09d7a3d7b15bf
And yes, you're no doubt quote something else from that site since it's clearly sympathetic to Larson's POV, but you'd be missing the point (something I suspect you tend to do quite often), as you asked me a specific question, and I have responded with a specific, undisputed, link with quote.
5. Fine I'm not, but once again, I am familiar enough with privileged white 'liberals' to have a gage of how they act.
6. I never said I was forty, but what does it matter whether I am or not? But in any case, Larson clearly said that the opinion of a white man did not matter in relation to A Wrinkle in Time. It's there in black and white. Why the fuck are you even arguing?
7. Everyone has the 'privilege' to state falsehoods, in which case, I'm not sure how it's a 'privilege', but in any case, I've shown you the quote I was referring to. Ergo, I was not stating a falsehood.
8. Don't tell me to get off the computer. If you don't like something I've posted you're also obliged to get off your computer?

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9. Where did I say Larson hates white men? It seems you're the one making things up, and yet you have the audacity to accuse me of such a thing.
10. I was photographed with a black person last week (but unlike Brie I was asked to be in the photo, and didn't photo-bomb someone else's moment in order to make it ALL ABOUT ME!). And for what it's worth, I don't tend to take many pictures. I'm not a fan of the 'selfie', but oddly enough, when I do have my picture taken, it seems to be with POC more often than now, for whatever reason.

By the way, some of us Europeans are black. Get your head out of your ass and look around FFS. Just because your country has got such a major issue with black people, it doesn't mean you need to project your hang-ups.

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#8 Was sarcasm and a joke. You bemoaned this as it happens to you and your computer, "as Brie appears to be doing in one of the photo links that keep popping up on the bottom of my screen."

Patient to Dr.: "Every time I raise my arm it hurts. What should I do to make the pain go away?"
Dr. to patient: "Stop raising your arm."

[–] MalkovichMalkovi (963) 6 hours ago
#9. Where did I say Larson hates white men? It seems you're the one making things up, and yet you have the audacity to accuse me of such a thing. See your quote below:

[–] MalkovichMalkovi (963) 15 hours ago
She gives off this 'I hate white men. I'm desperate to be photographed with black people' type of vibe.
I don't think I made that up. Which is why I stated that your "Brie hates white male detector or sensor needs calibration". You're going to have to own that statement and I stand by what I said humbly but without audacity too.

#10 Doesn't look like Brie Photobombed anyone. You do know Brie Larson and Sam Jackson where the Oscar presenters for BlackKklansman and handed out the awards? Why wouldn't she be in the photo with them?
https://im.mtv.fi/image/7297972/landscape16_9/1024/576/3f142ba5b2d9eb1ae45e6d408c772f60/sK/oscar-spike-lee-pomppasi.jpg

And I am glad that you are comfortable being around POC and aren't being accused of Photobombing a picture when you are part of the presentation, event, moment. Why would you jump to the , ALL ABOUT ME? She's not in front nor stealing the scene. I don't get it.

Finally, you're veering far afield with name calling, insults, ad hominem-isms by attempting to "Call me Out". I'm neither pompous, arrogant, have my head in my ass where I can't look around FFS, or a tiresome self-righteous azzholes and you don't know what country I live in and or are from. Now do you? What hang-ups are you projecting on me that you think I'm projecting on to you? I'm curious.

It's a discussion. Make a point. Prove a point. Embrace a point. Have conviction and stand by truth. Cheers.

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I don't personally take umbrage with anything that you have posted. "Umbrage is a very nice word though". We have exchanged posts once before and on some days you are mellow and on some days you seem to take umbrage with quite a few things that appear to affect you personally. I have no idea what, and wouldn't take issue with you being, independently-minded and or not following a limited playbook means.

Maybe sometimes you argue a position as a "Devil's Advocate" and/or posit a position as a Straw-Man to talk about a subject or topic out of context. Such as:

Unlike a lot of people who post on social media today, I prefer open-minded and rational centrism, to narrow-minded and partisan extremism.
There are a lot of assumptions to unpack there in that we are discussing Brie Larson and I have no way of knowing, and neither do you, if the issues surrounding a picture of her reveling in the experience of Spike Lee is open-minded, rational or extremist positioning.

I think it was rather rational for her and even being "In the moment". She seems quite an expressive person contrary to those who says she can neither emote or is wooden. Additionally, I'm not saying she is being disingenuous in her actions as it appeared genuine and sincere exuberance on her part and those around her.

I don't have a problem with people who aren't from the USA. I asked once before because it gave me more understanding and background to why you ask questions the way you do and it provided more context to your politics. I asked also because your alignment to certain positions didn't match up to large swaths of the USA political demographics. It also appeared that you were attempting to sway or convince people to your way of thinking and to positions that you believe in.

Throwing out Xenophobe and morality is beneath the tenor of this conversation. I know it was an IF but don't be so quick to judge and or rush to hyperbole. Aren't you the one who wants to give Jussie a pass?

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I'll be brief.

I'm sorry if I snapped at you. You seem to have since backtracked on the criticism, which I appreciate, so I'll explain myself.

The reason I've taken exception to Brie Larson on this occasion (an actor I otherwise respect, and the star of one of my favourite films of 2015, Room), is that I feel that she was throwing white men under the bus in order to prove her wokeness. If a female POC had said "A Wrinkle in Time isn't for white men" I'd have been a lot more accepting, because they'd be a lot more qualified to feel that way (even if I maintain that films are for and should be seen by everyone, irrespective of identity). But Larson's recent actions strike me as akin to someone who is possibly ashamed or embarrassed by their racial identity, and is trying to offset that shame by targeting white men, as if to say "my shit don't stink but there's does".

I personally take offence to that type of behaviour. I hate it when people avoid their own privilege and try to prove their social justice warrior credentials by singling out others. And it works in various ways. Matt Damon has mansplained to a black female filmmaker about diversity, and Chris Evans has lectured a black man about slavery. The actions of these two white men annoy me just as much as Larson's.

By contrast, I've stuck up for Liam Neeson because he's done the exact opposite to these finger-waggers. Unlike them, Neeson has looked at his own failings and had the decency to be honest and say "I was a racist". He should be commended for that because it's much easier to point out other people's failings than to be honest about one's own.

With respect to Jussie, I think the guy is an utter prat, and it still appears that he hasn't taken responsibility for his foolish and reckless actions, however, where I do feel sorry for him is that at least he has been, quite rightly, caught out. And so, I don't need to join in the chorus of condemnation. He's already a pariah without me wading in.

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#3 Yes, Brie Larson doing what she is doing is not embarrassing to me and you are free to be embarrassed for someone, about someone for actions that aren't about you, towards you or with you? That makes no sense to me but okay. You've moved on to "pathetic"; and labeling someone as a privileged white liberal as a pejorative for some reason. I'm not sure how or what Brie would do to either Prove or Disprove those statements about her. She seems authentic to me. But your mileage does vary and you are quite the judgmental person to lob those bricks at Brie Larson but give passes to Liam Neeson and Jussie Smollett. Maybe that is poor form on my part but it speaks to an inconsistency in your position when it comes to alleged crimes, felonies and misdemeanors by certain people. Sometimes if feels like multiple people or personalities use your keyboard.

Your personal familiarity with White Liberals and how they may or may not act around POC isn't relevant to Brie Larson because she isn't doing anything to YOU for you to judge her actions around others without some qualified standard of measurement. If the POC with her, while she was doing this grand offense or committing this unforgiveable sin didn't take umbrage, who are you to cast aspersions on them for not being of the same independently open mind, operating with rational centrism; and you are assuming they are being narrow minded?

#4 But that wasn't your quote now was it? Here is your statement: 'I don't care what forty-year-old men have to say about film x' comment came across as unnecessarily rude. Changing one word, that one word means everything now doesn't it? Which is the point. She never said that she doesn't care what 40 year old white men have to say about Film X or some random film. She was speaking to specifically "A Wrinkle In Time" and she had a very specific reason for saying that. Context matters. Misquotes and out of context statements is what this whole brouhaha is about towards Brie Larson, now isn't it? It's not a misunderstanding it is calculated and manipulative. And you are contributing to it.

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#5 Every White Liberal can not be generalized to the actions of the White Liberals that you have come into contact with. you would be guilty of painting people with a very broad brush stroke now wouldn't you? You've never met this person personally nor have you questioned any person of color who has had an interaction with Brie who has labeled her a "White Liberal" as a Fact. She's never said she is a "White Liberal" as a fact. I never knew being a "White Liberal" was a crime or that "White Liberals" commit crimes against POC, so beware.

#6 Brie's statements allegedly assailing 40 Year old White reviewers doesn't apply to you. You're not in that reference group. So why are YOU offended? Why are YOU speaking up for them? When did 40 Year Old White Men who aren't you lose the power to advocate for themselves? When did 40 Year Old White men become an endangered species? Brie never said that the opinion of said reference group didn't matter. Find me the quote from her that says that. She said that she ALSO wanted to hear from Women, Bi-Racial women, etc because she felt that their voices mattered also along with the 40 Year Old White Male reviewers. Inclusion. Inclusion. Inclusion.

#7 So you are stating that your quote was a mistake, "Care" versus "Need", and thus didn't do it intentionally. Fair enough, but your quote is still a falsehood but unintentional. I want to give you more credit and say that you are better than that, because you should know that words and facts matter. Especially with overheated rhetoric that posters put into play with these discussions.

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The whole "sick of being interviewed by white dudes" stuff isn't hard to dig up. I'm more fascinated than offended, what kind of person talks like that? "I'm fed up with *insert skin colour here* dudes", it's weird and provocative speech.

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/film/brie-larson-is-sick-of-being-interviewed-by-white-dudes-1.3792529

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I'd like to see some diversity among the people who play superheroes.

Why is Captain Marvel being played by a white woman? Why isn't she being played by a POC? Why can't we have Kamala Khan instead of Carol Danvers? Isn't lily-white woman Brie Larson depriving jobs from black and minority ethnic actors? And if she is, shouldn't all good progressives, myself included, boycott her work?

See it's easy to play that game Ms Larson. Check your own privilege before attacking other people's.

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Au contraire mon frere, it is very, very, very difficult to find a quote of Brie Larson saying that she was "sick of being interviewed by white dudes' on the internet. Why? because Brie Larson never said that and the article that you provided a link has that in the title as click bait so that you would read it but that very article is in support of her desire for inclusiveness and nothing in the article stated that she wanted to EXCLUDE 40 year old white men reviewers or interviewers.

You are more than welcome to prove yourself correct by finding a link that quotes Brie Larson as saying she is "sick of being interviewed by white dudes". You'll probably find titles to her comments that may or may not state that in the title of the article but it is just not a quote from Brie Larson. It never happened. Faux outrage over a very selective understanding of her comments or rephrasing of her comments.

As to being fed up with "insert skin colour here dudes"? Well in order to solve a problem you're going to have to measure, describe, analyze or detail the facts around the problem or issue. Saying that "Black women have more abortions" (as an example but not a factual statement) isn't racist unless the facts don't match the statement.

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You seem quite defensive of the situation, whether she said it or not Brie isn't debunking it nor is Disney showing the least bit of concern that the news media is misquoting her. Larson is also quoted to have said she doesn't "hate white dudes", whichever is true remains a mystery but my guess is she did say it or heavily insinuate such and such.

Those many sources prove once again the media is living up to the 'fake news' label. Once again, I don't know who or what to believe.

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You're a bit off with the defensive defense. Am I defending Brie Larson? Sort of. But really I am requesting that YOU defend YOUR comments, and when challenged you appear defensive to the criticism that I am leveling at your statements.

whether she said it or not Brie isn't debunking it nor is Disney showing the least bit of concern that the news media is misquoting her. Larson is also quoted to have said she doesn't "hate white dudes", whichever is true remains a mystery but my guess is she did say it or heavily insinuate such and such.
Normally one doesn't have to defend the negative that was stated by the person and neither Brie nor Disney nor Marvel should have to defend something that wasn't said. All that does is give more oxygen to a non-story by validating those who are making up the quotes to generate a controversy. That is an endless no-win for the person or organization or company, etc.

"Have you stopped beating your wife, yes or no?!" I'm not married and have never been married. The story will then be: Brie refuses to answer a question about spousal abuse.

Yes, Brie did say that she "Didn't Hate White Dudes." There should be no controversy about that. She said that to support her desire to see more diversity in the review and interview pool based on a study showing the number to be overwhelmingly leaning towards White Men. Brie wanted to add more seats at the table not remove anyone from the table.

No, the media isn't living in a "Fake News" bubble. What you should or shouldn't believe is up to you. The thing I would advise is to read the actual accounts of people and events rather than those columns and articles that attempt to re-tell or opine rather than just report. A news article is one thing.

An "Opinion" article is still another.

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Right, Brie should perhaps take a different approach to supporting diversity in the film industry, her attitude is hardly humble but hey nowadays you can only criticise a mans demeaner and not get a telling off for it. Are male actors allowed to be cocky nowadays, they're all a bit conformative compared to the Hollywood bad boys of the past, like Marlon Brando and Robert Mitchum.

Back to the point, white guys didn't force her to take on the role of Captain Marvel, she could've let the part go to to a POC. I mean the character of Monica Rambeau also known as Captain Marvel was black after all.

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Right, Brie should perhaps take a different approach to supporting diversity in the film industry, her attitude is hardly humble but hey nowadays you can only criticise a mans demeaner and not get a telling off for it. Are male actors allowed to be cocky nowadays, they're all a bit conformative compared to the Hollywood bad boys of the past, like Marlon Brando and Robert Mitchum.
What approach towards supporting diversity should she take? In most interviews that I have seen with her she is serious but by no means arrogant about the opportunity she has to use her voice to make a statement through her art and craft. And of course you can criticize women but that's not what is going on here now is it?

Yes male actors are allowed to be cocky, outspoken, demonstrative and passionate about what they believe in and what they want to achieve. Example, you think George Clooney, Clint Eastwood or Sean Penn are not outspoken?

Back to the point, white guys didn't force her to take on the role of Captain Marvel, she could've let the part go to to a POC. I mean the character of Monica Rambeau also known as Captain Marvel was black after all.

Brie Larson is playing the character that Marvel asked her to play. What does that have to do with Brie's stance on and support for feminism? This iteration of Captain Marvel from the current run of the comic is Carol Danvers and is not Monica Rambeau. By the way, a young Monica Rambeau does appear in the CM film and she is a POC.

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By the way, a young Monica Rambeau does appear in the CM film and she is a POC.
As a supporting character/Best Friend to the white lead?

Ahh...that's nice of them.

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Oh and before you attack me again, think what you seek to achieve by doing so.

I am a progressive left-winger, but by attacking me on the grounds of being illiberal and a reactionary, you only serve to push me to the other side.

It's elementary psychology: cognitive dissonance.

Label a person one thing/attack them on those grounds, and you only push them to defend that position.

It's precisely why identity politics is an absurdity and will get us nowhere. No-one likes to be labelled the 'bad guy', whether they're black, white, male, female, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, gay, straight, bisexual, cis, trans, and so on, which is why I refuse to attack anyone on the basis of their identity, and why anyone with half a brain who is serious about progressive politics shouldn't do so either.

Unfortunately, a lot of these people with the loudest and most powerful voices are not very educated and have little down-to-earth understanding of the world.

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But didn't you attack everyone who didn't agree with you in another thread? Walls of "people like you" ad hominems made at almost everyone who didn't agree with you.

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You need to do better than that. I don't know what thread you mean.

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Ah ok. It's not that important, but it's in the Jussie Smolett board.

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She's just woke as f--k!

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Tell it to NorrinRad.

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What is it you want told to me and by whom do you want it told?

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Does she think she's black?
posted 3 days ago by MalkovichMalkovi (1044)
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Anyone?!?

She looks like a lily-white Eurocentric blonde woman to me.
I couldn't let this one just pass. You know why? It wasn't a joke. And even if it was a joke it is steeped in ignorance, arrogance, bias, racial animosity and an abhorrent mindset soaking with insecurity. Oh, did I say ignorance?

What would be wrong if she did "Think She Was Black"? Is there something wrong about "Being Black"? Was that a genuflect by you that some Asians want to be White and by Asian standards that is racist and insulting? For some Asians there is this obsession with skin whitening, eye-fold removal, etc, in an effort to look more......white? A bit of self-hate maybe?

Is there some type of insult in your question about "Thinking Black"? Are you suggesting that she hates being "White" or doesn't want to be "White"?

Michael Jackson was born a poor black child and died as a middle aged white woman. Something wrong with that?

But why "White" why not "African"? How do you know she doesn't think she is "Nigerian"? Why do I ask? Because "Black" is not a place that people come from the way you are using it. Isn't "Black" a social construct that melaninated people use to describe a commonality that they share?

Does a "Black" individual in Europe think the same as a "Black" individual in Africa think the same as a "Black" individual in Brazil think the same as "Black" individual in Portugal? White people want to know the answer to that question.

Does she think she's Black? You don't even know what "Black" is now do you?

P.S., and neither does the internet.

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Now you're being silly.

For all you know, I consider being black the height of human perfection, and my objection to Brie Larson wanting to be black is that I'm offended by the idea of a white person trying to appropriate that perfection contrary to their actual racial background.

I'm not going to confirm whether I do or not believe the above. I'm not obliged to, and I fear that I risk setting myself up for more condemnation if I did. But I will confirm that I most certainly don't think there is something wrong with being black. Far from it.

Still, whether it is or isn't a good thing, the fact remains: Brie Larson IS NOT BLACK.

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For all you know, I consider being black the height of human perfection, and my objection to Brie Larson wanting to be black is that I'm offended by the idea of a white person trying to appropriate that perfection contrary to their actual racial background.
But, but you are so embarrassed by her so-called attempt to Photo Bomb Spike Lee's Oscar media press photo.

So it's either her "Whiteness" is below "Blackness" and the Black people should be offended that she is beneath them or her Whiteness is improving the photo by her mere Lily White Eurocentric presence?

Yes, you're not obliged to confirm anything but you sure try very hard to get others to confirm things for you. Which is why you asked the question, "Does she think she's black?"

Priceless, don't you think?

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Your argument is confusing.

I'm not saying that any race is less than another.

All I'm saying is that people like, say, Rachel Dolezal, should accept who and what they are, whether they like it or not, instead of appropriating another racial/ethnic identity.

Personally, I can't stand fakers. Part of it says to me that they think they're better than the rest of their racial group, whereas my argument would be that ALL white people are equally culpable and responsible for the sins of the white man, and that even includes dear Brie Larson.

It's the same type of shit a certain type of white person pulls when they claim, contrary to all documented evidence, to be Native American, or a member of some other on-white ethnic group. Basically they're trying to escape culpability instead of doing the honourable thing and saying "I, as a white person, will take responsibility for the legacy of systemic racism [rather than hold others to account]."

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She is a racist Hollyweirdian P of S.

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