attacks James Franco
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i believe she actually said "pen" and was requesting it back from whoopi goldberg on the mic because she couldn't find her backstage...goldberg is notorious for not returning borrowed writing tools
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I don't get these people. How can you condemn one and yet be friends or work with Woody Allen?
sharethey are a strange lot when it comes to values
shareAnd apparently all Franco did was hit on some women in their 20s yet that is considered more horrible than what Allen did.
share"yet that is considered more horrible than what Allen did." - You are aware that Allen was cleared of any wrongdoing in court, right?
shareStill doesn't change the fact that he got with a young girl who was the daughter of the woman he was in a long term relationship with. And I don't buy that he never saw her in his life until she turned 18.
shareGranted, but he wasn't her father nor father figure, and that is a very important factor. She is the adopted daughter of Mia Farrow and André Previn. What happened is not perfect of course, but he's not a monster for falling in love (mutual) for a girl he is not the father to, nor the father figure to.
shareOK, so OJ Simpson is not a murderer by your own admission and Bill Cosby is not a rapist neither.
Where are their careers now or is it just because they are black?
Well, there is overwhelming evidence in the OJ case, and Bill Cosby was not convicted because the horrors he commited goes too far back.
Where is your evidence in the Allen case? Why would the man suddenly turn into a child molester out of nowhere? Why has he never been accused, before or since, by anyone else? They were in the middle of a tough divorce, and they say Mia might have coached the daughter. Allen passed a lie detector test and a detailed investigation.
I'm not saying I have all the answers, but none of us will never really know the truth. But what if he is innocent? Everyone is so eager to pull the trigger on this one.
You're defense is what if Allen is innocent and he wasn't found guilty in the court of law. Then why don't you apply the same defense for Franco? He's being called for what exactly? Trying to pick up women in their 20s, that's it? Yet that's the worse crime right? How does that make sense?
shareIt is not about being the worst crime. The reason he is held so close to the fire now is because of this whole #metoo movement and the politically correct world we live in now. Have you even read the Franco accusations? Part of the whole #metoo movement, amongst other things, is about the use of power to get sexual favors. Franco might have done this here and there in a minor way. Do I think he is a bad guy? No, not really. Should he apologize and change his behavior? Absolutely, yes.
shareI don't know him so can't say either way if he is a good or bad guy but from what we know, there is no evidence indicating he is.
And it is what's worse because that's the point of the discussion isn't it? I think Allen is much worse, while you think otherwise.
Courts have stated that both Cosby and Simpson are both not guilty placing them in the same category as Allen and yet he's still working and they are not.
Franco has not even seen a police officer yet.
Shall we bring up the Polanski petition and all of those names on it Interlepos?
Dude, Simpson = Guilty. Cosby = Guilty. Polanski = Guilty (He admits this, but he was treated unfairly by judge, and he fled), Woody Allen = We don't know. He might be guilty, and he might be innocent.
shareThe only person on your list who a court of law has found guilty is Polanski, and yes he fled.
Hollywood garnered more than enough support for bringing Polanski back and forgiving him, many names, including Woody Allen's, supported and called for his atonement, and so don't think that the actual epidemic of perverse sexual appetites has ever left Hollywood because a couple of buckaroos have been thrown under the bus.
Please excuse my source for this for causal readers who happen upon this but the liberal left seem tone deaf when reporting on their biggest cause fighters and inspirations for whatever it is the far left want these days: http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2017/10/15/nolte-enabling-harvey-weinstein-celebrating-child-rapist-roman-polanski-hollywood-evil/
The atrocity of where this conversation has led because you put Woody Allen being found innocent in court over Franco apparently hitting on a woman is absurd.
How did your mother and father hook up?
If you don't mind me asking.
Where did I put Woody Allen being found innocent over Franco apparently hitting on a woman? Do you make a habit of only focusing on the things you want to focus on? Give me the sentence where I put the Woody situation above the Franco situation. They are not comparable. I am just defending Woody from the wolves, because I honestly don't know if he is guilty. If you have trouble determining for yourself if O.J. Simpson is guilty, then I suggest you read a little bit more on the case, and why he was proven innocent in court. The circumstances around that trial is unique. The racial tension in America that built up to a climax, along with the magic act pulled by the defense along with incredible left turns happening in the courtroom (The gloves, Furman etc). You know as well as I do that those two trials (Simpson and Woody) can't be compared. But continue trying to compare them to prove a point. Also, you overlook the fact that I am saying that Woody MIGHT be guilty, even if he was found innocent in 1993.
shareLook at where you come into this conversation: https://moviechat.org/nm0424060/Scarlett-Johansson/5a650d540df9800014c05472/attacks-James-Franco?reply=5a66dba3e3e04100143e4814
You defend Allen (From the wolves apparently) but did not give validation to the fact that he was at least in a courtroom. Franco hasn't been put anywhere near one and there are, genuine, wolves after him at the moment but nobody thinks it right to defend him.
As I asked earlier; how did you mother and father hook up?
I don't need an answer I'm just pointing out that without people flirting with others to attempt to court them there would be no civilisation and hence no art.
This entire #MeToo atmosphere has gone from looking to oust actual predators to downsizing itself considerably because everyone knows they'll never work again if any big fish are outed.
Just to be clear, my reply about Woody being found innocent in a court was targeted at the comment: "...considered more horrible than what Allen did.", and had nothing to do with the Franco situation. But what you are saying is very true, that Franco, and many others at the moment, are being accused - leading to automatically guilty - leading to automatically shunned. But you seem to forget the fact that Franco hasn't only been courting women in their 20's, he put them in unwanted sexual situations in the workplace (allegedly). Not Harvey Weinstein bad, but enough to write a big L.A. Times story, with five women coming out accusing him of sexually exploitative behavior.
My mother and father hooked up normally, and not through my father being her boss and had her do sexual favors for a job (which a lot of #metoo is about). It's a difference between flirting and courting, and putting pressure on someone to sexually do favors for you to keep a job, or to get a job. But I know what you mean.
Most people hook up normally, and I agree that holding power over someone for sexual gratification (Or any untoward gratification) is an abusive relationship.
That all said, everyone in Hollywood knows how it works. People can walk away at any point and if everybody actually did then there would be no hierarchy of power to exploit those at the bottom with.
I'm against sexual abuse as are almost all. However when someone purposefully objectifies themselves to others for the purpose of being further objectified to a wider audience for money and recognition and those with the money to make that happen act as sociopathically as they naturally have to to sustain being the one with the money and a whole system of open secrets holds up a house of cards (Pun intended) with the eyes of the world listening to liars talk about injustices that none of them personally experience but hopes to rectify somehow...well, that's how we got Reagan and that's why we have Trump.
Sorry for harping on there, free flow of thoughts. I hope I didn't come across as aggressive earlier it's just that those looking to scapegoat on Franco are probably doing so now for Oscar political reasons rather than any actual 'indecent' act which could be followed up critically by a police investigation.
The Woody Allen situation is about a complex relationship between two extraordinary people and a court found no fault with that. Franco hasn't done anything that is out in the open and people are calling for his head for apparently hitting on someone with the hopes of having some sort of relationship with them. Guy's probably a dick but there's nothing criminal about him out there and so he shouldn't be treated as one.
As Woody Allen shouldn't be treated either.
I'll concede to OJ but I'm not sure Mr Cosby is guilty as the media put him forward as being. He cheated on his wife, that's for sure.
Thanks for the talk and reply away if you've got any retort to anything I've said :)
It doesn't matter if she was adopted, legally she is Farrow's daughter. There have also been accusations against him yet apparently Franco flirting with 20 somethings is far worse. Where is the logic in that?
shareYes, she is Farrow's adopted daugther, but Woody Allen was not a father figure to her. That is the whole point here. The father figure in her life was André Previn. From Soon-Yi herself: “To think that Woody was in any way a father or stepfather to me is laughable,” she continued. “My parents are Andre Previn and Mia, but obviously they're not even my real parents. I came to America when I was 7. I was never remotely close to Woody.”
shareSo just because he wasn't a father figure but instead the over friendly Uncle and Mother's boyfriend for how many years? It's ok and makes it much more acceptable than Franco flirting with adult women closer to his age?
shareLet me spell this out for you. 1. I am not comparing the Allen and Franco case. I am focusing only on Allen and the fact that people like you condemn the man too easily. 2. It's obvious that you haven't read the Franco accusations. he wasn't only flirting with women closer to his age. Have you read the accusations? How old is Ally Sheedy? If you don't know who she is, google it. She was the one who started all of this when Franco wore the "Time's Up" pin at the Golden Globes. She is much older than him, something happened there for her to write a "#metoo" tweet in connection to Franco. So if you want to compare the cases, Franco also did something wrong with a much older person. And most important thing, Franco hasn't only been flirting with women in their 20's, he put them in unwanted sexual situations in the workplace. I repeat, so you might get it this time = "he put them in unwanted sexual situations in the workplace".
share"He's my father married to my sister. That makes me his son and his brother-in-law. That is such a moral transgression." -- Ronan Farrow
shareIf you look at it from that angle, then yes, it's seems pretty messed up. But, you can also look at it from other angles, that I am trying to show here. I never said the situation was perfect (Woody and Soon-Yi) and I don't think anybody was implying that.
I agree. Although publicly talking to women in public or even talking to women at all is considered culturally unfashionable these days its a bit of a stretch to consider it on par with sexual assault thats just going to far.