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A man's delusional fantasy of femaleness is now more real than a woman's actual experiences.


Male supremacy for the win!

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That's not true at all. Women's experiences are just as real as before. The existence of trans women does not take away or harm cis women in any way. There are also trans men in the world and they don't take away from or harm me or my experiences as a cis male in any way.

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"The existence of trans women does not take away or harm cis women in any way."

Unless you're a female athlete who suddenly is forced to compete with men.

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Exactly. The whole "why do you care when it doesn't affect you?" argument is shot in the foot on this one and there is absolutely no way that anyone can justify it, in my mind. The only fair way would be to have trans leagues in every sport - trans vs trans. But then, of course, they would bitch and moan about being "real" women and men, and they "always have been", and how competing in a trans league would imply otherwise.

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It's not true? Why are medical journals designed to give information about female illnesses (like uterine cancer, as in "persons with or without uteruses") dropping all mentions of gender? Why are feminists slandered as TERFs? Why are transgender women being allowed to take over female spaces, both physically (public bathrooms, competitions, modeling world) and in the social realm (being used as standards in terms of what "real" women should look like)?

There are also trans men in the world and they don't take away from or harm me or my experiences as a cis male in any way.


Oh, so you, a man, are going to talk down to me, a woman, about how transgenderism has been affecting us. All righty then.

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Why are transgender women being allowed to take over female spaces, both physically (public bathrooms, competitions, modeling world)...


Also women's shelters.

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Yes. Thank you.

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There is no such thing as cis women and cis men. Only psychos talk like that.
There are only men, women, and other.

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That's old news. 3rd and 4th wave feminism are male-centric. Virtuous women are portrayed as male with boobs, while female characteristics are dismissed and even attacked.

Once the current feminist trend passes, women will find themselves in a very low social position, because feminism has spent last decades promoting that femininity is despicable. So what happens when you want to go back there? 50 years from now, women are gonna have a very hard time.

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"... because feminism has spent last decades promoting that femininity is despicable."

A very interesting observation, especially when you consider how masculinity has been promoted as "toxic". Without femininity or masculinity, what will be left? A bunch of mindless, soulless, heartless, emotionless zombie/robot/humanoid type creatures? Sounds great. I guess that might be true equality though, when none of us, regardless of gender, race or age, are worth anything.

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Both masculinity and femininity are being promoted as toxic, that's why males and females look more and more androgynous. Modern movies, sometimes it's becoming difficult to say whether it's an actor or an actress. Check Terminator Dark Fate, or Tessa Thompson in MiB.

But at least males are fighting to defend masculinity. Females are not doing the same with femininity. The moment they wanna go back there, they're gonna find themselves in a wasteland that has been trashed for years without anybody defending it.

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Men are even better at being women!
Woman of the year!
(jk)

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I wish I could laugh but that's exactly the mindset that many of these transgender "women" carry. They can make better women than actual women. So many of them seem to take it as a badge of honor to be described as "real women" and by that, I mean a complete sexist caricature of one (big boobs, Barbie doll aesthetic, long nails, vocal fry, etc.).

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Just out of curiosity have you you ever actually met a trans person?

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That's something I always wonder about too because so many people that have issues with transgender people, especially male-to-females, they act as if they have to deal with them everywhere. They go to the supermarket and their they are being annoying and flamboyant. They go to their job and there are trans people there too taking a genetic females job away. They can't get away from them.

What I find strange about it is there are whites down south where I live who talk about blacks the same way. That you can't go anywhere without there being mostly black people around, and you never, never go out after dark to Walmart or the mall because you might get robbed and attacked by a black person because, well you know, they're always waiting in the shadows to attack a white woman, LOL.

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Where down south do you live exactly?
I've lived "down south" most of my life and never hear whites talk that way. Many places in the south now have a denser black population now. I would say whites are even a minority in many businesses.
I live in a nice neighborhood but most people worry about the hard boiled drug addicts that have a tendency to rob us all.

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You must be really young then, because I live in a major city in Louisiana (not New Orleans), but I'm retired now and live with my 85 year old mother... and where we live was a white neighborhood at one time but is now about 70% African-American and that's because white folks can 'white flight' like you wouldn't believe, LOL, especially white women's fears no doubt of the black man.

We live only a block away from a charity hospital (or what is called LSU Medical in La.) and my aunt is afraid to take her welfare-addicted white daughter in law there because of the "alleged" shootings and crime there, and yes there is some, but I think it's people who know one another and not random shootings. You do have to laugh at the way white people act and their fears, especially white women. TRUTH!!!!

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Not young at all..but my experiences are different and have been for many years. I resent people making the entire world a cliche of its past and never letting it move forward.. '
It may be who you tend to know or it may be that certain southern cities are ahead of fixing what ailed them..

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That's something I always wonder about too because so many people that have issues with transgender people, especially male-to-females, they act as if they have to deal with them everywhere.


Do you have to "deal with politicians everywhere" to be affected by their policies? Or are you affected regardless?

Do you have to "deal with developers everywhere" to be affected by their developments? Or are you affected regardless? I've never dealt with developers and yet entire neighborhoods full of character are being torn down left and right and popular venues destroyed.

The point is that my issues has nothing to do with thinking that transgenders are "everywhere." They are directly impacting strides that women have been fighting for over a century. That is the problem.

What I find strange about it is there are whites down south where I live who talk about blacks the same way.


Here's what I find strange--that in the minds of transgenders and their advocates, race is never analogous to transgenderism except when it is.

For example, when cases like Rachel Dolezal started becoming public and people said, "What's the difference," you guys all argued that race and gender aren't the same thing. But then when it's convenient, you will bring up race as an analogy.

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Just out of curiosity have you you ever actually met a trans person?


Are you a trans person? If you are not, what are you--male or female?

I won't answer your question until you answer mine.

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Wow, talk about deflection. Are you a politician?

To answer your question I am a cis female.

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I'm not deflecting from anything. I said I would answer your question if you answered mine first. You answered my question, so I will answer yours: it depends on what you mean by "met."

If you mean "met" in person, no. I've never met a trans person offline, but I have had a lot of debates with them online, which is why I feel the way I do. I've been talked down to in terms of how biology shaped a large part of my (and every woman's) identity. Time and time again, when you try to explain to them that having periods, dealing with pregnancy (or lack thereof), abortion, hormonal mood swings, female-specific diseases etc., etc., they will tell you that it's not that these shaped our identities as women; it's that society laid a "trip" on us. For example, having a hysterectomy or a mastectomy is a life-changing experience for a woman precisely because she feels a strong loss of sexual identity when she loses her uterus or breasts. When you try to explain that to transgender women, they'll dismiss this as just another example of how society "head trips" women into feeling the way they do about themselves.

So, what is your "rejoinder" to all this? That you know a trans person in real life and therefore, this makes you superior to me in how I feel about them? But why would it matter whether I've met/become close friends with a trans person or not if their own arguments and statements speak for themselves? I could meet all the trans people in the world and it still won't change the fact that many trans have expressed viewpoints and pushed for laws that have infringed on women's spaces and are even trying to redefine biology to include trans men: https://news.sky.com/story/cancer-research-uk-drops-the-word-women-from-smear-test-campaign-to-include-transgender-men-11405406.

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Again, you get defensive thinking that I think I'm better than you. I don't think that anywhere in this conversation have I even hinted at that. I am trying to assess where you are getting your opinions from. That is all. I am no better or worse than you are, and I also should point out that I haven't expressed an opinion on this topic in any way, shape, or form, and yet you have already made up your mind about who I am and what I am going to say in regards to this.

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Snarkily accuses me of "deflection" and makes a smart crack that I must be a politician, then responds condescendingly that I'm being defensive when I respond in kind. All righty then.

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I'm sorry that you read snark into my comment as there was no snark intended. There was no condescension implied in my words from my end. If you are reading that into what I'm saying I don't know what to tell you. I am not against you. I have passed no judgement on you other than making an attempt at a joke, for which I am sorry.

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