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Letterman followed by Ferguson--peak of late night comedy


Late night was never more enjoyable than when these two guys were on back-to-back. They were both incredibly quick-witted, Dave more on the satirical side (though he certainly could be goofy too) and Craig just hilariously silly with his pantomime horse and "skeleton guy." On first seeing him I thought it looked really stupid and passed him by, but when I started listening to the cross-talk patter between him and his puppets I realized I'd been missing out on some really great humor. I was so sorry that he apparently didn't want to stick around once Letterman left and he felt slighted that he wasn't given the Late Show (at least that was the reporting at the time).

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I agree.

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Ferguson was a great late-night talk show host, but I feel like his lower-profile was his boon. I think Ferguson's strength as a host is that he gives off this little weirdo vibe where he's just doing whatever he wants, he doesn't care what people think, he's having fun, and he wants others with him on that, but if he's by himself, he's okay with that, too! Could he have done that on a higher profile show? Would they have let him mess around on the Late Show? Maybe, but probably not.

Ferguson should get his own show where he's allowed to do whatever the heck he wants with it. Let the man be weird and funny.

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I agree that Craig Ferguson gave off a misfit (iconoclastic?) sort of vibe, as if he was the lucky contest winner who got to host a late night show. That's not to say I didn't think he belonged on late night, but I thought that he brought something unique and unusual to the table (I'll always remember when he was interviewing Fiona Apple some years back and he said the word "part" but with his accent, she asked if he said "pot" and thus goofiness ensued:-).

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Iconoclastic is a good way to put it. He was punk-rock-comedy. I think the vibe was less "contest winner" and more "ubermensch who wandered in off the street and is running things now because he said so and because he doesn't care about authorities telling him he can't sit behind the desk."

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That's fair enough, like how, before he got his start, Steve Guttenberg snuck onto the Paramount studios lot, eventually took over an abandoned building and set up an office for himself:-). Of course, Ferguson was more well-known than that, but your statement made me think of early career Guttenberg.

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His was the last good late-night talk show before they all became political and the hosts became shills of the left.

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I don't see them as "shills of the left." Riffing on the important social and political issues of the day has always been a large part of late night monologues, from Carson on and even farther back. And if you've got a topic so ripe for satire as tRump, it would be comedy suicide to ignore it in order to not hurt the sensitivities of tRump supporters. All the late night hosts may indeed be liberals, but that I think is simply the way it is, much like all of talk-radio is dominated by radical Republicans: conservative comics do not appeal to many people (cuz they're not funny) and liberal people do not listen to talk radio (even if there were liberal talk-radio shows blasting on 50,000 megawatt stations all across the country). But this is a political discussion, and I will not discuss it further here than to say it's better to "own the cons" on TV than to "own the libs" on radio!

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"this is a political discussion, and I will not discuss it further"

Whatever, dude. You only wrote seven lines in response to my one.

Johnny Carson, and for that matter Leno and Letterman, included political jokes in their monologues, but none of them virtue-signaled their leftism. I don't even know what Carson's political party was, and I watched him for thirty years. Chances are he was a Democrat, but he was too smart to alienate half his audience by making a big deal of it on his show.

Conservative comics are among the best and funniest working today. Leftist comics are so stuck on Trump they can't move on, and have become stale and boring. Leftists in general are humorless.

Liberal people listen to talk radio every day. It's called NPR and the only reason it exists is because it's subsidized by universities and the government. Liberals are so bitter they can't get a leftist 50 mw AM talk station going that they have tried to force the issue through legislation, but nobody else cares.

Today's late night television hosts are shills of the left because they're afraid if they presented any alternate opinion or point of view, or invited guests who did so, they'd lose their jobs and their careers. Ask Dennis Miller.

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liscarkat....this post is spot on across the boards. One of the best I've seen in a long time. 100% AGREE.

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I could never stand Letterman. Didn't like Leno either, even though he interviewed me once. Carson was my favorite.

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I'd say the Letterman/Ferguson one-two punch was a good one....and yes, probably the last bastion of good late night talk shows, before it all went really bad. However, they (and their shows) were not both in their primes when they were back to back.

Those of you lucky enough to remember Dave back when he was on later (after Carson) at 12:30....remember a completely different David Letterman. He catered to college kids staying up late. He wasn't NEARLY as political....and when he was, it was even-handed to both sides. When Dave was on at 12:30, he was less polished, more subversive, more daring and more creative. He'd do everything from man-on-the-street bits....to throwing various items (like watermelons) off the roof of their building. The city of NY became a huge player in his comedy and bits. Instead of suits every night...he wore khakis and a baseball hat. Dave was loose, irreverent and fun. And he'd have a lot of subversive and unique guests on....like Sandra Bernhard, an early and less-known Howard Stern, Warren Zevon, etc...). Dave lost a lot of his edge when he moved to the 11:30 timeslot....and eventually he turned into a liberal, hateful db....who had a lot of hate in his heart for conservatives. I still liked Dave (primarily for how great he was during my college years)....but he turned into kind of a dick...albeit still a talented one.

Ferguson would not have flourished in the earlier timeslot. He was good at being that hidden gem in the late timeslot that you just kinda discovered (rather than the glossy, corporatized 11:30 guys who get all the commercials and advertising). He was more like the way early Dave used to be. Subversive, naughty, a rascal who liked to push the envelope and see what he could get away with....sometimes just to crack HIMSELF up!

Back in the day, you never really knew what political "side" the hosts (like Johnny, Jay, Dave) leaned toward. Their humor wasn't hateful or mean-spirited....it was even-handed on both sides, rather than a biased agenda. These days....guys like Colbert and Seth Myers are SOOO far to the left, they don't even pretend to hide their bias, their hate and their cherry-picked agenda. Effng jerks. I can't stand either of those weasels (and I'm an Independent, BTW).

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Really don't think the late night hosts have moved. The Right have. Stuff that's been going on since Bush Jr. and now with Trump is just unprecedented. The populists have taken over.

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I would watch Leno and then Ferguson. I guess I'm weird. But the two do get along.

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Craig also had the best opening monologues.

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Never liked Letterman, but Ferguson was good.

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It's all over but the crying.

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