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Kevin Feige Breaks Silence on Scorsese Attack: "It's Unfortunate"


Interview with THR reporter, 44m. Didn't listen to it, TL;DL.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/marvels-kevin-feige-breaks-silence-martin-scorsese-attack-1253710

In his first public comments about the debate raging over whether or not his films are cinema, the architect of the Marvel Cinematic Universe notes, "Everybody has a different definition of art."

"It is unlike anything we've done before. It's unlike anything this genre has done before," he says of WandaVision. "And yes, if you are turned off by the notion of a human having extra abilities, and that means everything in which that happens is lumped into the same category, then they might not be for you. But the truth is, these are all — like all great science-fiction stories — parables."

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There he goes making it sound like he's making cinematic classics.

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You doubt that he is?

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They're fun popcorn films. Some are at least.

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Even the worst of the MCU films to date have been well-reviewed by critics and well-received by fans, and while all aren't "cinematic classics," you'd be hard-pressed to deny that at least 6 or 7 undoubtedly fit that bill.

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I think it's because it plays off the same formula. They had success with Iron Man and just repeat the same thing over and over.

I want to see him produce something outside of Marvel.

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I don't see the formula. What about Iron Man do you see repeated in the Captain America films, or Thor, especially Ragnarok, or in any way in the Spider-Man, Captain Marvel, Black Panther, or Guardians of the Galaxy films? The beauty of the MCU films to date has been how each one is so different from the rest, yet they are all so consistently good.

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-Main hero gains power. Never really had it before movie begins.
-We are introduced to a love interest.
-Villain gains power and threatens humanity.
-The main hero who is now accustomed to his powers, is now cocky and uses one-liners.
-Convoluted and irrelevant side storylines.
-The overuse of colours. No film has its own main colour.
-You'll never see a serious film in the series because it has to stay consistent with the other films.
-We rarely see the hero's family life.
-The hero has the main villain in his clutches around the mid-way point in the film, only to lose them until the final battle.
-Overuse of CGI. How many final battles take place in front of an actual background? Maybe, Thor.
-Fighting with friends or other heroes.
-Conveniently not calling other heroes in solo movies when they need help defeating the villain.
-Generic musical score.

These are why these movies keep getting decent reviews. They follow the same formula without taking risks and there is a familiarity for people.

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That's a pretty vague "formula." We're talking about superhero films here, so "hero gains power," and most of the rest of what you list is to be expected. That's like writing off the Godfather film as a formulaic gangster picture because "you have a mob with a boss," "a rival mob wars with them," "gangsters kill one another," "guns are fired," "vengeance is sought," and so forth. A film containing touchstones of its genre is not considered to be merely adhering to a formula.

I'd argue that despite touching on the familiar points that one expects in a superhero film, the MCU films are consistently able to transcend the genre by offering a fresh take nearly every time out. With The Winter Soldier we got a tightly-knit tale of espionage and government corruption, Homecoming gave us a coming-of-age story that was much John Hughes as it was Wes Anderson as it was a superhero film. Ragnarok perfectly blended dark, epic-stakes action with Norse mythology, all the while keeping an undercurrent of dry wit, and owes as much to Monty Python as it does to Stan Lee. Infinity War? Homerian tragedy, and the only superhero film I know of in which the ostensible villain is in fact the hero, who completes his quest and defeats the presupposed heroes. Captain Marvel? A clever film based more on the gradual development of its lead character than with any super-hero-ing, and one in which the action, while in steady supply and entertaining, takes a back seat to a story of Danvers gradually regaining her human-ness. Does Black Panther feel like any of the above? Where do the Guardians of the Galaxy fit into any of this? And Ant-Man-- a comedic heist film where the super powers are again almost secondary to the tale-- is yet another outlier.

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VERY WELL SAID.

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That's like writing off the Godfather film as a formulaic gangster picture because "you have a mob with a boss," "a rival mob wars with them," "gangsters kill one another," "guns are fired," "vengeance is sought," and so forth.


In advance I'd like to mention that I don't mean comic book movies in general, I mean Marvel movies specifically.

In "The Godfather", the family being part of the mob has already been established. We know this is as a viewer and don't need to be spoon-fed this with an origin story like every first film in the Marvel universe does. "Casino" is a gangster movie where we see the rise of the mafia. With Marvel films, the first film is always how the heroes came to be.

Here's where the lack of risk in Marvel movies Scorsese talked about comes in. "The Godfather" dies in the first film. They killed off the lead and title character in the first third of the franchise. Name me a Marvel film where the main character dies in the first film. "Iron Man"? No. "Thor"? No. They didn't even have the balls to kill of Loki. They do this because they need to fill their quota of films being released.

I'd argue that despite touching on the familiar points that one expects in a superhero film, the MCU films are consistently able to transcend the genre by offering a fresh take nearly every time out.


Are they though? As I mentioned before, Marvel movies have to stay consistent. Where is the all-out dramatic Marvel film? I haven't see it. Where is the all-out horror Marvel film?

With regards to other gangster films, "The Family" by Luc Besson is a comedy. "Goodfellas" is a biopic. "Snatch" is a comedy and comic-like. "Rififi" is a suspense movie. "The Usual Suspects" is a whodunnit. "The French Connection" is an action movie. "No Country for Old Men" is a Western. "Gangs of New York" is a period piece." If only Marvel movies were this diverse. They're all action movies with comedic moments mixed with Sci-Fi

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LMAO, Homecoming is as much Wes Anderson as it is a superhero movie?

You drank the whole jar of Feige's Kool-Aid, didn't you?

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If you don't see elements of Anderson's visual style or his quirky humor, so be it. That overt and clearly intentional stylistic homage was one of the things that struck me most on my first viewing of the film.

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Exactly the right response!

Polite, but faintly condescending.

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I watched all the mcu films this year and really enjoyed them. I'd seen a couple on their own but like how they form a larger picture while generally often working as a standalone film to some degree.

I remember when dark Knight rises first came out and seeing people preferring the first avengers film that year because it didn't take itself too seriously.

And that I think is the point. Scorsese is a great director with a great vision but you can't really compare his work to marvels.

Sometimes you need a film that's mainly entertaining. I did a degree in film and TV and found some on the course where the kind of people who would only watch certain arty type films. These can be great but so can the cheesy over the top ones.

I've not really seen a lot of DC films but seem to find a lot of people find they try to go too dark and too serious and flop with people preferring the more fun over the top side of marvel.

And yet even these types of films can be arty and emotional

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