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Since Bond's race is meaningless, lets cast Idris as Hal Jordan


Idris fans who are nuts enough to want him to portray Bond are often quick to say he should play Jon Stewart...
Why can't he play Hal Jordan since it's ok to bend the races of characters.

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Who said race is meaningless? I don't think Idris Elba has ever expressed interest in playing Bond. I believe he's smarter than that, and knows some people would get their panties in a bunch if he had the temerity to play Bond.

James Bind is a white guy and I don't think such trick casting would go over well at the box office.

Someone please create a role for Idris, a suave, charming spy of some sort who is not James Bond. Idris Elba appeared on the Tonight show recently and the females in the audience screamed for him as if he was Justin Beiber. Idris has got IT, let him show it off.

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It baffles me how Americans can be so ignorant.

Firstly, they think anyone who has an English accent and puts on a suit should be cast as Bond. Or, they think that the point of Bond is to make women swoon.

There's a reason Daniel Craig is the current Bond and not George Clooney.

The James Bond franchise was never supposed to be pornography for the horny woman who plays with herself. That's what 50 Shades Darker is for.

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The James Bond franchise used to have real nudity of Bond-girls. They should bring back Bond for men!

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Correct me if I am wrong, but I do not think there has ever been a woman's bare breast in a James Bond film.

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There has never been any pulchritudinous nudity visible in a Bond film, and I looked for it, really hard. Perhaps not the best choice of words there. In the dead gilded girl scene in Goldfinger, while the corpse is clearly nude, strategically-placed furniture in the frame guard her modesty. Some Bond opening credit sequences have used obvious nudes, but only in silhouette. Damn.

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It's okay to be white.

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Has anyone said it isn't ok?

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Daniel Craig is a domesticated Bond. He feels attainable for the average slag hag.

It’s cynical marketing to a female audience in the same way that black Bond would be cynical marketing to the millennials. “Hey look, black people can be enforcers for the established order too!”

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I don't quite follow your point. Elba would be a good fit for Bond. He embodies the character as Fleming wrote him. I don't know much about the Green Lantern character, so why would it be a stretch to cast Elba in that role?

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Fleming is on record as wanting David Niven cast as Bond, so, no, Elba in no way embodies Fleming’s vision.

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Don't quite make the connection from that fact that you do. Niven has a much more effete on-screen presence than Elba, but that doesn't mean that simply because Fleming liked Niven for the role that someone else won't do.

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You stated that Elba “embodies the character as Fleming wrote him.” The actual author of the Bond novels disagrees. David Niven was not effete, he was masculine, suave, and less muscular. No one who has played Bond in any 007 movie other than the Woody Allen-written travesty, Casino Royale, has satisfied Fleming’s vision. Use that for your argument, if you like. Just don’t claim that Ian Fleming would have endorsed the hulking Elba as Bond. Facts actually matter.

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I don't know, or pretend to know, what Fleming would have thought about Elba. It doesn't matter much. I don't think who the author of the book wanted for the role in the '60s has much bearing on who should play the role today. Would Fleming have endorsed Elba? Neither of us know. He wasn't effete as Niven was, despite what you seem to think, but he lines up well with the character as written. That carries more weight with me than something the author may have said at some random moment in time. Who's to say a week later he wouldn't have said "Sidney Poitier would be the ideal Bond?"

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So, if you don’t know what Ian Fleming thought about Bond, you had no business writing that someone “embodies the [Bond] character as Fleming wrote him.” Beyond that, say what you will.

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Can you not discern the difference between the two statements? Of course no one knows what Fleming would make of Idris Elba. Fleming died 8 years before Elba was born. That doesn't change the fact that when one reads the novels one gathers a solid sense of the character, and can determine how various actors compare to Bond as written.

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You obviously have not read Bond, he's nothing like Fleming wrote him, not one bit.

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I've read every Bond book Fleming ever wrote.

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Yes and Fleming did not ever describe 007 as a black working class cockney with a goatee! Here is Fleming's Bond: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bond#/media/File:Fleming007impression.jpg Ian Fleming's image of James Bond; commissioned to aid the Daily Express comic strip artists.

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I'm not talking about a physical description. If I recall, Fleming once used the singer Hoagy Carmichael as an example of how Bond looked. I'm talking about the essence of the character-- rugged, tough, hardboiled, cruelly handsome, inscrutable. If we're simply going on Fleming's description, Connery was a terrible Bond. Pretty much all the actors save for Brosnan were. I'm talking about the spirit of the character.

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You just described Connery, Fleming liked him too.

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I agree that Connery was a perfect Bond, even though, like Elba, he did not match the physical description of the character in the books.

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He should play Donald Trump in his inevitable biopic

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