Biden or Obama ?
Who is worst?
And do you think Joe will be re-elected ?
Joe for sure, at least Obama was somewhat sane.
unless they can "Weekend at Bernie's" him
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Biden is visibly worse since his debates with The Orange Man.
No Fkn way he runs again.
He can't debate NOW. He can't even answer softball questions.
What's he gonna be like in a couple more years.
I never thought I would ever think US President could be worse than Obama but here we are, my answer is Biden.
shareyou have to be extremely blind to think obama was the worst president in history...to disagree with me is disagreeing with facts and logic
shareDefinitely the worst in my lifetime
shareonly if you were born in 2008 and then died in 2015. the two presidents around him were infinitely worse
shareLol good one, As bad as you think they are we can at least agree they are miles better than Obama and Biden that is unless of course you are a deluded libtard cultist as I suspect
sharefuck dude i nearly had a stroke reading that. i thought my grammar was bad. ever heard of commas? or is proper grammer just too libtard culty for you?
shareI’m typing from my phone you moron. And the fact that I’m being attacked for lack of commas shows you don’t have an intelligent response
sharehow can i form an intelligent response if your original post is barely comprehensible? dont get triggered bro.
and no obama is factually much better than bush or trump. any peer study not controlled by faux news will prove this. this is like arguing that the expendables is worse than transformers 4. nobody is saying the expendables the best film ever, but it's factually much better than transformers 4.
Peer independent studies? Yeah I’m sure they were run by the fake news libtard media. Fox News is for the most part fair and balanced. Both Obama and Biden made life worse for the majority of Americans and they had/are having scandal after scandal. Pull your head out of the sand and come back to reality. Obama and Biden are objectively two of the worst presidents we’ve ever had
shareFox News is for the most part fair and balanced
You lost all credibility with that statement. Fucking dumb fuck.
You see when you watch nothing but the fake news libtard media, objectivity seems far right
shareWhatever. Go jerk off chilone or kinkyink while whispering trumpisms in their ears.
shareLol no intelligent response I see, just pathetic attempts at flaming insults. Thanks for proving my point
shareWhat's the point of an intelligent conversation with a dummy. You ain't worth my time.
shareI accept your concession
sharedidnt you say you have autism? why would you support a president who mocked the autistic and disabled? just a serious question.
shareEven if I accept your premise that’s at least better than a President who hands an entire country over to the Taliban, gives them military equipment, leaves our own people to die behind enemy lines, takes away our energy independence and makes us dependent upon OPEC once again, allows thousands of illegal immigrants to come across the border unchecked (many with Covid), holds back Covid vaccines from states that didn’t vote for him, incites violence against police and “anti vaxers” etc. but yeah you’re right sending out mean tweets is so much worse. Get your head out of the sand and come back to reality, turning off the fake news Taliban demokkkrat media might help also
Edit:your cult leader Obama mocked children with special needs, he was also silent when the fake libtard news was saying Sarah Palin should have aborted her “retard baby” and I don’t see you throwing a fit about that. Your selective moral outrage is so pathetic, you aren’t legitimate or sincere, you are a pathetic demokkkrat. Look kid, I’m not trying to be mean or anything but as an unbiased, objective observer I must ask: what the hell is wrong with you?
I feel like arguing with you will be extremely futile and a massive waste of time, as, after all, you are the same person who claimed all people who don't think The Dark Knight Rises is perfect must be trolling, so I will try to explain this as simply as possible.
"Even if I accept your premise that’s at least better than a President who hands an entire country over to the Taliban, gives them military equipment, leaves our own people to die behind enemy lines"
Okay. Firstly, Trump was planning to do literally all of this. Every single one of it. Biden was following Trump's guideline (proof: https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/politics/2021/03/17/us-troop-withdrawal-afghanistan-trumps-deadline-weighs-biden/4667248001/) In fact, Trump's pull-out deadline was four months sooner, and he had made zero efforts in meeting that deadline before he was voted out of office. How much better of a job would've Trump done in an even shorter time window? Explain that one to me.
" takes away our energy independence and makes us dependent upon OPEC once again"
I'm sure global warming is nothing more than a myth to you, but you really don't have a reason to by Biden going back to OPEC. You can bitch and moan about rising gas prices and less jobs for rednecks without high school diplomas, but I know you aren't working on those Oklahoma oil fields. Biden's plan clearly was to help with global warming and environmental issues and it's something that's needed to happen for a long time. Anyone with an IQ over 40 will agree with this.
"allows thousands of illegal immigrants to come across the border unchecked (many with Covid)"
This has happened under every single president in history. But sure, Bama BAD! And NOW you think Covid is a problem, but not before? Only when the foreigners have it?
"holds back Covid vaccines from states that didn’t vote for him"
This is just absolute propaganda. I find ZERO articles backing your claim.
I reached the word limit count. To be Continued..
Now you’re deflecting to the Dark Knight Rises for some reason in a pathetic attempt to discredit me. Typical libtard behavior. Anyways I will humor you for just a little bit: Yes every complaint I have heard about TDKR is rooted in ignorance much like your political positions.
Trumps plan would require that the Taliban met conditions, It wasn’t to just give the country with them along with military equipment and hostages numb nuts. President Trump would have obliterated them if they pulled 1/10th of the shit they did with Biden, and he wouldn't have blown up innocent children like your cult leader did either.
Your assertion about global warming is a strawman, and I never said any such thing and under Biden’s plan we are no closer to renewable energy although we are now dependent upon countries that abuse women and homosexuals. Lower gas prices mean people have more money to spend which means the economy grows dingleberry. Also the left doesn’t give a crap about global warming, they hijack the issue to advance their political agenda to give them more power. When they say they care about climate change, they are really saying they care about power and staying in office. If they actually cared about the environment then so many of them wouldn't own multi million dollar mansions and parade around in private jets, on the other hand my house runs on solar energy and I drive a hybrid, I'm not saying that matters or anything but since you seem to think I don't care about the environment I feel you need to be put back in your place. I clearly care more about the environment than your cult does. I don't think I'm some self righteous, loves the smell of my own farts, smug libtard like you are, but I try to help the Earth when I can. I can’t believe you are stupid enough to be duped by the lies and misinformation from your cult.
Wrong, Biden is actively aiding and abetting people who are breaking our laws, Trump did not. The libtards try to impose these moronic Covid restrictions on American citizens that they don’t apply to themselves nor illegal immigrants and on top of that they fly them on tax payer dollars to states that didn’t vote for them. It’s sick and disturbing.
Btw your comments about “rednecks” were racist but I doubt you care
So basically it's okay if you throw a punch, but not if I punch back? Sounds like typical "alpha male" conservative snowflake shit to me.
Yes, that's exactly what Trump's plan was. And Biden did exactly that. Have tried NOT watching Faux News for once?
You never mentioned global warming because you likely don't know what you're talking about. You're acting like Biden switching to OPEC is a bad thing when, if you knew the actual reason behind his decision, you wouldn't be wondering why I brought up global warming. And what's with the "abuse women and homosexuals" remark? Sounds like some unbridled racism there. I'm sure you'll laugh at me for saying the "r-word", but what does oil have to do with racial stereotyping? Besides, Trump treated women and homosexuals like shit, and you still thought it was fit to run the country.
And yes, we did have this many illegal immigrants under Trump. Biden has obviously been more lax on the issue. You want a cookie for knowing this? But record numbers of refugees flooded to America under Trump's watch. And what is it about immigrants that scares you so much? Don't like brown-skinned people very much, I take?
Strawman, I said no such thing.
No it wasn't, Trump's plan was dependent upon conditions on the ground, Biden just left without making sure the Afghan military was ready to defend themselves because he wanted a victory lap and in the process innocent people died and now the Taliban is the 3rd most heavily armed military in the world because he gave them our military equipment. That wouldn't have happened under Trump's plan. Not to mention that Biden not only tried to sabotage rescue attempts of the people he abandoned behind enemy lines but then he had the nerve to try to take credit for successful rescue missions. Lives mean nothing to him, he doesn't care who lives or dies as long as he scores politically. He's a complete and utter narcissist as is the rest of your cult. Quit watching the fake news numb nuts. Also I said quite clearly I don't give a crap what Fox News says so it's odd you keep bringing it up like it's a legit debate tactic.
Uhhhhh yeah it is, it is ruining the economy, people lost their jobs and now we are at the mercy of countries who abuse women and homosexuals. We had the Keystone Pipeline and we were energy independent which was helping the US economy and creating jobs but apparently we can't have a pipeline but Biden's buddy Putin can, yeah America Last is his motto. LOL, being against abuse towards women and homosexuals is racist? What the hell are you smoking? The Muslim world does abuse them you idiot. Please show me what policies he enacted that abused women and homosexuals? Did he tell them they can't drive, go to school, need to be covered and escorted in public? Did he tell women that they needed 5 male eye witnesses to prove rape? Oh right he sent mean tweets which is pretty much the same thing in your fragile, snowflake, libtard mind.
We have never had more illegal immigrants than we do now Under Biden and that's a non sequitur by the way and a logical fallacy, whether people broke the law under Trump is irrelevant, Biden is actively aiding and abetting them, Trump did not. Biden is committing treason. And your pathetic attempt at playing the race card is pathetic. We are a country, we have laws and people should follow them just like I have to follow every other countries immigration laws, the left only wants them because they will vote for their cult, they don't give a good damn about any refugees or anyone who has suffered, not to mention along with these illegal
immigrants there are cartel members and terrorists for all he knows. What the hell is wrong with you? You are on the side of thugs and drug dealers while innocent people get victimized. We are a nation of immigrants but there needs to be a vetting process to make sure we aren't letting in people who want to deal drugs or kill us, your president doesn't care, he only cares about importing voters because it's too hard for him to win with the demographics we currently have and all the while pathetic snowflakes like you have nothing up your sleeve other than the race card. Once you play the race card that's pretty much an admission of defeat, not to mention it’s cowardly and bigoted. I’m sure your Taliban DemoKKKrat Nazi cult taught you to just accuse your opponent of being racist whenever you’re boxed into a corner, sounds like a common libtard tactic.
shareAnyways, no. I live in Oklahoma, the 2nd reddest state behind West Virginia, and I can name 20 different places to get a vaccine.
"incites violence against police and “anti vaxers” etc."
Also a total lie. Please link to where he incited violence, very similarly to how Trump incited violence. His exact tweet was: "We fight. We fight like hell and if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore. So let's walk down Pennsylvania Avenue." Did Biden say something like this that incited riots?
"your cult leader Obama mocked children with special needs"
Here is the link of Obama "mocking" disabled children: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLG72Uw2qCc&ab_channel=channelvideo
Here is Trump mocking a disabled person: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX9reO3QnUA&ab_channel=CNN
Really tell me they are on the same level of awfulness.
"he was also silent when the fake libtard news was saying Sarah Palin should have aborted her “retard baby” and I don’t see you throwing a fit about that."
You say this as if Obama himself made the comment, which he didn't. And why would Obama need to comment on someone else who has nothing to do with him gets insulted? And you didn't see me throwing a fit because I was still in grade school when it happened. Were you stalking me or something?
"Your selective moral outrage is so pathetic, you aren’t legitimate or sincere, you are a pathetic demokkkrat."
Yet, that's literally exactly what you're doing here. You're selecting moral outrage, and failing.
"Look kid, I’m not trying to be mean or anything but as an unbiased, objective observer I must ask: what the hell is wrong with you?"
You are, in fact, trying very hard to be mean and very biased. To answer your condescending question, I'm not some asshole marvel fanboys who reee's whenever somebody disagrees with me. I don't even like Biden, and didn't vote for him! But I have issues with the fact that there are millions like you who watch Fox and worship it like fact. Open you eyes, kid.
"Anyways, no. I live in Oklahoma, the 2nd reddest state behind West Virginia, and I can name 20 different places to get a vaccine."
So many logical fallacies with this comment, first of all I never once said he made it impossible to get a vaccine, secondly I was referring to Florida because he wants to discredit Governor Ron De Santis because he sees him as a threat to his political ambitions. Your President is one sick son of a bitch.
Yes he did mock special needs children and he is no better than what you claim Trump is. Also there are bigger things to worry about such as the DemoKKKrats literally trying to destroy the country and make life worse for everyone except themselves.
It doesn't matter, your cult was suggesting Sarah Palin should abort her "retard baby" and your cult leader Obama said nothing, that means he's OK with those remarks, if he was such a champion of special needs people as you claim he is he would have told your cult to quit being such bigoted scumbags.
I am not selective moral outraging at all, I am making unbiased observations and conclusions, you however are merely parroting the talking points of your cult.
I am not being mean at all, you're just a crybaby who can't hack it. And I never even once suggested that I worship Fox News, I don't care about Fox News, I care about the truth, you only care about advancing the failed policies of your cult.
Actually, you did imply that it was impossible to get a vaccine in a red state. Your exact words were "holds back Covid vaccines from states that didn’t vote for him". States, as in plural?
Honestly, I want to continue debating, but where do I even begin? Cult leader this, cult leader that, there's just so much to unpack here. If you wanna pretend you won this debate, fine. I'm sure everyone on the discord chat will praise you as Trump's heir. I gave you proof, links, citation proving my arguments correct, and you still act as if I'm crazy. Fine, stay in the cave where you belong. You can watch all your crappy Nolan movies there.
"I don't care about Fox News, I care about the truth" - This is unfortunately the dumbest thing you've said all night. Once again, I weep for the 50% of this nation that agree with you and your logic, or lack thereof.
Yes Florida, I never once said Nebraska, genius. Also it's a non sequitur and a logical fallacy. Whether or not you can get a vaccine in a state that I never mentioned is irrelevant to the fact that he has made it harder to get vaccinated. He's abusing his political authority to punish people who don't vote for him, he's a sick, evil man.
I accept your concession and hopefully you learned something from this experience, your cult is evil and you are a scumbag for supporting them. I don't care about Trump either, I just want someone who will do the right thing, you follow your cult blindly and it's really pathetic.
Your last paragraph was nothing more than a pathetic attempt at flaming and character assassination. You need help, you need to be in an institution and you are clearly indoctrinated by your cult. And it's comically ironic that you attack me for calling out your cult when you accuse me of being part of a cult (ie "Trump's heir", brainwashed by Fox News, etc.). Your hypocrisy is blatantly obviously hilarious.
Oh my god this is cringiest stuff I’ve ever read. You are literally retarded bro. As your president of moviechat, you MUST OBEY ME!!!
shareLol I don’t obey pathetic internet trolls who think they are more important than they really are. Nice try dingleberry
Edit: don’t use the word “retarded” as an insult, you shouldn’t insult your own kind
Haha I love it. Everything you say just gets cringier and cringier. Keep going!
shareGet a life you loser
shareYou literally say that guy follows his cult blindly…but that’s what you are doing too!!! You cant make this irony up.
shareI don’t follow cults, I look at things objectively and professionally. You are a blind cultist and you people scare me
shareYet you still support Trump. You should look up the definition of “irony” or maybe “hypocrisy”. “Idiot” would be a relevant one too.
shareLol
So just supporting a particular candidate makes you a cultist? What kind of deluded libtard logic is that? I don’t worship Trump, I don’t agree with him just because it’s him saying whatever he’s saying, I evaluate the situation and I make an objective decision. You however literally worship your Taliban libtard cult and you won’t go against them no matter how evil they are. That’s the difference
Whatever makes your autistic little self happy there, buster.
You did very little prove how the “talbian cult leader” was evil, besides list things Trump did exactly to a tee. What else you got?
Lol now you’re using the word “autistic” as an insult, what the hell is wrong with you?
Trump was the victim of a smear job all throughout his presidency, your cult was out to undermine him and destroy the country just to make him look bad, now we’re finding out General Miley and a Pelosi were planning a treasonous insurrection which further proves my point. You need serious help
Awwwe poor wittle Trump, getting bullied all day! Somebody play him the worlds smallest violin! I thought a big alpha male lion could stand up for himself and not be offended by mere words? You’re painting him and all his beta followers as big ass snowflakes.
And much like Trump I’m belittling the disabled! You must admire me too. So don’t ask whats wrong with me, ask what’s wrong with your prez!!!
Ummmm what the Demokkkrats did was treason, that’s not something you just throw to the side. It’s also comically ironic that you’d mock Trump for calling out an insurrection when if we even dared to disagree with Obummer we were called racist. So are we just supposed to let it go that the Demokkkrats attempted treason and are colluding with the Chinese? They need to be impeached and prosecuted as they are a threat to our democracy as are you for standing by them
So now you’re just as bad as you claim Trump is, you must be proud of yourself
I bery much admire Trump and think he’s one of the best presidents ever. Nobody else caused so much chaos and anarchy, and nobody else had followers as violently dedicated to his every word. By the end of his term, he convinced his people to
commit domestic terrorism! Now that’s legendary. He also got away with colluding with Russia, and you guys still think there’s “no proof”. I hope to one day be as powerful as Lord Trump.
Trump didn't cause any chaos or anarchy, that was all the DemoKKKrats who did everything they could to destroy the country for political reasons. They are the very definition of terrorists and it's sick and disturbing, they care more about politics than the people they are supposed to represent and they should all be in prison.
LOL he did not convince anyone to commit "domestic terrorism", I am assuming you are referring to Jan 6 and he clearly said march "peacefully and patriotically", if you think the words "peaceful and patriot" are words of terrorism then you have serious issues and you need to man up. Your phony moral outrage over it only proves one thing and its your own immaturity. The DemoKKKrats however have incited multiple violent riots with their praise of BLM and Antifa and they are the very definition of political terrorists, not to mention Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Schumer etc. have all incited riots by telling them to burn buildings and kill innocent people.
Wahhhh, wahhhh Russia, wahhh, The Russian hoax has been debunked and its a dead issue, however you did just prove my point that the DemoKKKrats made up the story as a means to undermine President Trump for political reasons and they didn't give a good damn what it did to the country or our democracy, we seriously need to prosecute everyone who perpetuated that lie but it'll never happen because scumbags like yourself are too corrupt.
Seriously I hate your cult and what they did to you, you need serious therapy.
LOL walking into a building is "domestic terrorism", you are such a crybaby coward. Jan 6 was mostly peaceful, get over it and grow a pair.
"Wahhh, wahhh, wahhh people I disagree with expressed their opinion and walked into a building, wahhh, I just pooped myself, please change me, wahhhh"
Damn, imagine if you put this amount of effort into school. You’d be somewhere in life by now!
An old russian proverb once said: if a bee could tell a fly why pollen was better than shit, the fly would still eat shit. You are the fly.
And you are? Pollen or shit?
shareI doubt he even understands what the proverb even means, he's not smart enough.
shareI think you are misunderstanding the analogy. You want to see MovieChatLiar497 lay eggs on me? Sounds erotic but I don’t like
delusional liars.
You aren't smart enough to make an analogy, your cult has sucked out whatever intelligence you once had.
shareI unfortunately did not come up with the proverb. I wont lie , unlike you. Typical trumptard, you are rihht on track to becoming the face of conservative america. And i never conceded but it appears your tail is between your legs on this one, incel.
shareYou conceded when you gave up debating the facts and instead just spouted out moronic, pathetic attempts at middle school level flaming insults. People like you are what is wrong with the world, people like you shouldn't be allowed to vote, drive, have jobs, have kids, own a firearm, etc.
shareGood thing you’ll never have kids, incel. Keep your inbred seed to yourself. And you were the one who quit debating the moment you starting spewing lies and delusions, which was from post one. Multiple other people gave up on you too, and I’m sure in your autistic mind you think you are the victor.
shareI have kids and they are productive members of society unlike you and your cult. You're just jealous because you are either A) Impotent ,B) no self respecting woman would ever let you put it in her or C) Both A and B. I never lied about anything, you were just looking for a convenient excuse to get out of this discussion because of the savage beating you've received. I've noticed that libtard snowflakes get very fussy when anyone actually gives them a reality check and busts their privileged little bubble they've encased themselves in. Get help you loser.
shareNobody on this site believes for half a second that you have two PD’s, which amounts to well over a decade of collegiate education. Nobody believes for a second that you have two kids, unless they are illegitimate crack babies. Nobody believes here for a second that you won anything, including this debate, which you abondonded first. Anyone with two PHD’s would immediately realize this. So you can sit on your keyboard and lie all you want, but at the end of the day all you’re hurting is yourself. You can look back on today and say “wow, I lied!” It will not feel great. But what else do you expect from a retarded gayboy for Trump?
shareLOL, pathetic libtard is throwing a temper tantrum, that's original.
shareI accept your concession. Maybe try an actual debate next time?
shareLol I did try and you threw in the towel like a coward libtard
shareThe mistake you made was thinking that it’s possible to have a civil , polite conversation with you. You seem to think you are entitled to basic human decency and respect which you aren’t because you aren’t really a person
shareyou were the one who started hurling insults first.
shareNot at all, all I did was set the record straight with you and you then threw a hissy fit and started calling me racist for some reason, disturbing behavior on your part
shareyou basically chalked illegal immigration down to "they are minorites and do not bleong here". wow lol what a great argument. really putting those 2 phds to use. yawn. next.
shareComplete strawman I said no such thing. I said we need to control our border and make sure we know who is coming in here just like every other country does because it is a fact that child traffickers and drug dealers are coming in. It literally had nothing to do with race you stupid libtard but you want to make it about race in a pathetic attempt to intimidate me (and it ain’t gonna work). When you play the race card that means you lost the argument
Edit: your president doesn’t give a good damn about immigrant who has been suffering if he did he’d let the Cuban refugees in but he won’t because they are likely to vote Republican, ooopsie . Biden is a sick son or a bitch , he is playing political games with our democracy and our lives. If you had a shred of dignity you’d join me in calling for his impeachment and prosecution but you won’t because you don’t want to go against your cult
TRUMP built a wall instead of super trains
shareThe money we would have saved from the illegal aliens draining hundreds of billions from our economy, could build a high speed rail system throughout the whole country several times over.
sharejust where do you live that you can say this big lie
shareIt is a fact. Every illegal alien you see crossing into America will cost us thousands of dollars. That's just the initial cost and doesn't include the education and housing and healthcare they will get, all courtesy of American taxpayers. We will see north of 2 million illegals this year alone, and those are only the ones we know about. Let's be conservative and say they only cost us a thousand dollars each. That's $2 billion right there. And that's the lowest estimate. Likely, it will be much more and over many many years. And that's added on to the existing illegal aliens here who cost us billions each year. You add that all up and we are talking tens of billions each year we are losing because of illegal aliens. At the very least.
sharevery well said, but dems are hoping they will be a registered democrat and vote for them because they got all free things...
shareWhat super trains?
Obama gave billions to solar companies…that all went bankrupt.
He gave hundreds of billions of cash to Iran.
Obama was terrible. Biden is the abyss. He may not even last a term.
But the same people who manufactured his win in 2020 can do it again. He did not win that election, I have no doubt of that.
Its like comparing diarrhea with the plague.
shareI’d call Obama a racist asshole and he sowed the racial divisions that are playing out right now in America and are getting worse. Joe Biden will be remembered as the worst President in American history and we aren’t even through the first year yet. There’s no chance in hell he’ll run again. He likely won’t even make it through this term.
shareobuma might have been married to a man in drag but at least he didnt diddle kiddos in public on nation television. biden is a disgrace to this country....
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