How did Joe Biden “win”?
He sure does draw a large crowd when he leaves the basement!🤣
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/joe-biden-holds-parking-lot-rally-ossoff-warnock-empty-wearhouse-photos-people-guy-got-81-million-votes/
If this a serious question then the answer is Trump. Most people were casting a vote against Trump and they would have cared less whose name had a D next to it.
shareI can understand people vote how they want. That’s the beauty of America. How did Joe get “81 million votes”, if he can’t get a decent crowd for a rally?
shareExcellent point and I might add, that he could not even draw a large crowd during his Thanksgiving speech. He only drew in 1000 viewers; ouch!!!!
shareI fully believe there was fraud; the numbers just don't make any sense to me. but, say, for point of discussion, the vote was 100% fair. Mrmojo is correct and it wasn't people voting for Biden; it was people voting against Trump. And that makes me sad because people who vote that way should NOT be voting; they aren't mature enough. The idea of 'Anyone as long as it isn't Trump' just sounds dangerous to me. Would you vote for Hitler if he was running against Trump? I mean, anyone but Trump, right? But; that's the freedom we have in America and I respect that even if I find it a little blind. I just don't believe there were enough of these people to actually turn the election without 'help.'
shareGreat point.
shareI agree with you and I actually voted for Trump because Biden and Harris seem crooked and Trump actually did a lot of good for this country; more than people realize. My husband voted for Biden just because he did not like Trump but not because he was a fan of Biden or anything. I told him that was not a good reason to vote for him.
shareYou have a guy who's crooked as hell. He could care less if the country implodes as long as he makes money and doesn't ever have to face the consequences for a lifetime of systematic fraud and financial crime. A lot of good for the country? Must've missed that part.
Let's go back to 2016 shall we? He promised a middle class tax cut. People like ME won't do well under MY tax plan, believe me! Remember that line? Or how about his promise to bring the two parties together, end gridlock, make deals - because that's what he does. Yeah. Where was the infrastructure plan? Not even a token attempt at that either. How about his big beautiful health care? It was going to be cheaper, cover everybody, and be so easy ... so easy, he said. But the GOP Health Plan has always been to hand total control back to the insurance companies. That's why a decade on their fabulous plan is always just around the corner, we'll be unveiling it soon, two weeks, we swear! It doesn't exist. And it never will.
Of course he also promised to take care of the Dreamers because we LOVE the Dreamers! We love them so much, we're going to turn around and kick them in the balls! He said he loved the LGBT community too as I recall. Love. You keep using that word Mr. Trump - I do not think it means what you think it means.
China still has its unfair trade practices in place, its currency manipulation, and its blatant theft of technology from US companies. The Orange One's little steel and aluminum spat hasn't changed much, except that it's forced taxpayers to shell out billions to bail farmers out of the hole he dug for them. Xi Jinping has been stringing him along with talks that have extracted only token concessions from the other side, and monkey boy is too stupid to see it. We're still no closer to a resolution on the issues that matter than we were in 2017.
Then there's the pointless trade wars he's started with Canada, and our allies in Europe. The Iran nuclear deal. His near-treasonous relationship with Vladimir Putin. His unseemly ass kissing of world dictators like Kim Jong-Un and Recep Erdogan. The economy at home wasn't exactly spectacular for most people even before the pandemic. Now it's in the toilet as people die by the thousands, because he threw all responsibility on the states instead of engaging a federal response and went a step further by sabotaging every effort by state governors to impose health restrictions. Anyone in office would've mounted a vaccine development program. He's hardly a genius for having done that one thing - and that IS all he did.
Any halfway competent high school kid could do a better job as President. Hell, quite a few of the older elementary schoolers could too. Why a cult would form around this pile of garbage is an ongoing mystery to me. He certainly doesn't have the charisma typical of most cult leaders. He's just a loudmouthed, Andrew Dice Clay style demagogue with no ideas and nothing but endless raging and grievances to offer America. Voting for no other reason than to reject THAT makes perfect sense!
This is what people believe when they only listen to one side. The one or two decent points hidden in this essay are drowned in the low-brow insults and lack of ability to be civil. Insulting rhetoric instead of persuasive handle on facts. I'm guessing first year university student who thrives on impressing their socialist professor. Solution: listen to opposing views FROM someone of the other side. Not the soundbites from their political enemies. How will you ever know if your side is up to no good?
I agree with some in ere that it was the anti-Trump vote that won it. There were tons of obvious efforts to cheat the vote but I don't think it was enough to have changed the outcome. When you control the media, you can sway the narrative pretty easily. You control the main source of everyone's information. The election was lost long before the cases of Biden ballots showed up overnight.
I liked the Democrats when they were for free speech, opposed censorship, and questioned authority. This new version is hard to listen to ... but one must.
There aren't really two equal "sides" here. And I resent the implication that I don't think for myself. I'm not like the right wingers who listen to screaming, raging far right media, and monkey hear monkey believe. There are facts and there are lies. I notice you don't get specific, which is typical. You make vague and general statements but never engage in factual discussion of any particular point. Tell me that specific statements I made are in error - and most importantly explain why.
I have yet to encounter more than one or two Trumpies willing to even attempt that. It's all deflection and distraction, talking about media bias, blah blah blah. I don't want to hear one of those tired old bias arguments. There is truth and there is non-truth. I am right about a particular thing, or I am wrong. Stop the distraction BS and get into details.
Everything I said was true, about his campaign promises. Please feel free to state which one of his broken promises you think he actually kept. Where was the MIDDLE CLASS tax cut. He threw the middle class a few (very temporary) bones but almost everything went to corporations and the rich. Where's our great infrastructure project? Where the hell is his promised wonderful health care plan. Ask him. Ask Republicans. Always oh, the plan exists somewhere, but we can't tell you what it is yet. Where was the attempt to sit the two parties down and get them to make deals - because that's what he does (gag!).
Where's the agreement where China said they'd stop stealing technology from US companies? Which of their unfair trade practices have ended? Explain to me why it is that Trump's stupid steel and aluminum tariffs have done tremendous good. What good? What's changed? Please, enlighten us.
And now the fucker is trying to stir up a literal revolution. He'd never have the guts to shoot someone in person - but if a mob of zealots did it for him, and (in his mind) he could pretend like he didn't know there'd be violence, he would be happy to have half of Congress dead. Mostly the ones who don't suck up to him and kiss his ass daily. It's only because they successfully evacuated the members before the mob cut them off that this didn't happen.
He's a traitor. Plain and simple. And stupid people STILL defend him, make excuses, are in thrall to him like he's some kind of god among men, when all he's ever been is a second rate reality TV host and a lifelong con man. Don't sit there and tell me my statements are biased. Disprove them, be specific, or don't waste time and space responding. God I am sick of the vague generalities!
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What right wing source have you ever listened to? You are the same as what you whinge about. Spazzy political partisans.
And again, deflect and distract. Slip and slide. Nothing specific. Want to talk about bias, bias, bias, instead of engaging in specific factual discussion. I knew this is how you'd respond. With vacuous nothing statements. Don't think a lot of people who are reading this can't see the tactics for what they are. You STILL haven't addressed a single one of the many points I raised. If you actually have a substantive position to articulate, why can't you do that (as I have)?
shareNo thanks. You win. All Republicans evil. All Democrats holy.
Cancel and censor everything you don't agree with and do it with the utmost hate.
Slip and slide. Dance and evade. I laid out a case with facts and reason, and you're incapable of responding to it. Understandably. When you're overmatched, the best thing to do is bail. It's not like you could actually argue any of what I said was wrong! So default to the cheap bias argument that demands nothing of you. Sad. 😳
Are there any worthy opponents from among the right wing shills? Anybody?
Like you answered my question about what info you get from the other side? Left, Right, all the same if they are the seething type like you. Get all their info from one side exclusively and are dead-set on spreading the hate.
May you find happiness somehow.
Seen enough Faux News to tell you they're living in an alternate universe. I've attended several tech conferences in Shanghai, and let me tell you: right wing media over the past few years has taken on a tone and a detachment from the truth that closely resembles the newscasts in mainland China. Objective journalists shouldn't be spreading conspiracy theories, heaping praise on their leaders, or attacking those leaders' opponents. Tucker Carlson would feel right at home. Well, except for the looking American and not speaking Chinese part. 😜
Slip and slide. Slip and slide. It doesn't matter where or how someone came by information - it's either right or wrong, debate me on the issues or just acknowledge you can't. Everyone's going to know you can't when you keep evading. Might as well admit it.
"seen enough" translates to "I have never ever listened to opinion from the right and considered it." Nope. The arena of ideas is something to be cancelled and censored. The best insults and the loudest are the measure of reason now.
You are not alone. Tons of people think exactly what they are told to. Just like the people you hate. Only a few special ones like you think they need to be abusive and steamroll the internet with their plague of hate.
Name something you disagree with from the Left.
Slip and slide. Dance and evade. Still not discussing any actual matters of importance. I am not the issue, the issues are the issue.
Here. Let me help you out. Where's the infrastructure? Where's the big, beautiful health care that would cover everyone much more cheaply, and be so easy, so easy! Explain what his trade war with China has accomplished. And what about his trade war with the EU and Canada? What the hell was THAT about? Issues. Talk issues. I'm not the issue.
Name something you disagree with from the Left.
shareIf you answer some of my questions, I'll answer some of yours.
shareNah. You aren't persuading anyone and you won't be persuaded. What's the point? There's a great question for you. "What's your point?"
Go argue with someone with your level of sophisticated temperament. There are plenty of wild jackasses over at 4chan. You can shout and insult each other to your heart's content.
More pathetic excuses. Check and mate, motherfucker. 🤣
Isn't there anyone out there who supports Trump and can actually explain why? With, like, facts and stuff.
"right wing media over the past few years has taken on a tone and a detachment"
As opposed to media like CNN, MSNBC, WAPO, NY Times, PBS, etc. that sold the Russian collusion hoax for 3 years? You're completely deluded. The only people worth listening to are the likes of Glenn Greenwald who eviscerate both Republicans and Democrats for their respective dysfunctional natures. Honest journalists have lately set their sights more on Democrats because, in my view, they are naturally inclined to level out the playing field. The "right wing" media sources you speak of are relatively few in number and swamped by media that shills for the Democratic Party.
There was no Russian collusion "hoax". Trump has been protected by his party for four years. Investigations have been cut short, oversight has been nonexistent, his blanket refusal to comply with subpoenas (which would get you or I arrested on contempt charges) has been allowed to go on with no consequences, etc. Did you read the Mueller report? There's a lot that should've been followed up on, but that wasn't happening on Mitch McConnell's watch. Something is VERY wrong in his relationship with Putin. He's almost certainly got something on Trump. We may find out what it is too. If Trump is no longer a useful stooge, Putin could leak it ... just because. I doubt he's any more fond of his crass American "friend" than most of us here.
At least the bias in outlets like CNN and MSNBC is just that, a slant on things. You can get your news from them and disregard the host's opinion. It's impossible to do that with right wing media. They report on "stories" that are pure fiction. They speak of tin foil hat conspiracy theories as if they're established fact. That's why I compared them to newscasts in China. It's the same thing, they heap praise on their glorious Party and President/Emperor for Life. Dissidents and rival nations are slammed. It's propaganda. Real journalists shouldn't be talking that way on the air.
We need to re-establish the Fairness Doctrine. We had regulated media for decades and it served us quite well. There was no fascism or suppression of free speech. In less than ten years of deregulated media too many sources have degenerated into cesspools of vitriolic partisan rhetoric and disinformation.
I'm fed up having to debate people on whether climate change exists, or whether covid-19 exists and is reduced by masks, or explaining to stupid people that their cult leader lost because more Americans are against him than for him - the usual reason people lose elections! And trying to have a rational discussion with someone who thinks Satan worshipping child sex traffickers are running the planet and only an orange faced reality show buffoon can save the world ... I mean, look at the sentence I just wrote. That's seriously a thing. Unbelievable.
The fact is that Joe Biden ISN’T Hitler, he has proven himself to be a more decent and compassionate human being than Trump.
I know that it has been drilled into the Right’s minds that they didn’t lose, the right media and the president keep pushing that because Trump doesn’t want to be a loser and the media on the right needs to appeal to it’s audience for their bread and butter, these ‘News’ channels are nothing more than opinion pieces appealing to their parties for views, yes that includes the left as well!
Biden had limited crowds on purpose. I know that you don’t take the virus as seriously as people on the Left do but that was why he had limited attendance at his rallies and why Trump had huge ones and was so proud of packing people in even after he knew that people would die because of it.
Sure, a lot of people absolutely hate Trump and would vote for a coatrack instead of him, butBiden is not a bad person as much as you may disagree with hm and as much as you have been told he’s a bad guy, is he corrupt? Hell yes! Find an extremely wealthy politician that ISN’T, but he’s a good human being which I absolutely cannot say for Trump.
"Good human beings" don't lie almost every time they speak. They don't fondle little girls. They don't blame an innocent driver for killing his wife and baby. I don't know if you're deliberately lying or simply misinformed, but you are wrong about Biden.
shareIt would be cool if there was a website that recorded every claim that a politician made and researched the claims to see if they are true, false or unprovable . . .oh wait! There is!
Yep in over 36 years of government Biden has told a lot of lies:
https://www.politifact.com/personalities/joe-biden/
Turns out only 36% of the claims he has made are completely true without a shred of doubt
3% of his claims have been bold faced lies that were completely absurd that I’m sure he knew were lies when he told them.
Then there is Trump:
https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
In 4 years out of all his claims only 3% were true.
17% of his claims were completely absurd lies that he knew were lies when he told them.
53% of everything he ever claimed have been false.
An EXTRA 20% on top of that have been mostly false.
What the fuck? You say that “Biden” lies every time he speaks?
I’m sure that you would be congenial to the driver that killed your wife and child, the fact that you are using such an awful thing to condemn him is gross and very telling.
Politifact is run by lefty journalists. Might as well be the democrat party. If that's where you get your info, that might be your problem.
shareNice try, but it is used by Fox News Media, it was started by a right leaning Independent and funded by the Tampa Bay Times which is a Republican state before it was funded by Truth Squad which says it’s independent but is composed of people from both sides.
It’s easy to say that it’s partisan because you want to deny the information but it’s just not true. You are welcome to refute any of the information I’ve given which would be a lot harder than just accusing Politifact of being liberal wouldn’t it?
If you just ignore and push away everything that disagrees with you and only listen to the ‘news’ that tells you that your opinions and ideas are right how can you know what real truth is? Even if that website was leftist, It’s important to listen to the other side of everything, that’s how you grow as a person.
"Even if that website was leftist, It’s important to listen to the other side of everything, that’s how you grow as a person."
Tell that to Facebook, Twitter, and Amazon. All of them selectively censor and ban conservative opinions only, or even those who give the appearance of being conservative because they have the gall to criticize Democrats and question the integrity of the 2020 election. Given your highly principled stance on being informed of opinions and facts from all sides, I imagine you must be enraged by highly biased big-tech censorship. Right???
"The fact is that Joe Biden ISN’T Hitler, he has proven himself to be a more decent and compassionate human being than Trump."
He's an idiot who will lean whichever way the wind blows.
He changes his stance over time and changes to support the majority of the people, why is that a bad thing? It’s certainly not good to not ever change your viewpoint given more information.
share"He changes his stance over time and changes to support the majority of the people"
It's called a lack of principles. Sucking up to BLM and Antifa doesn't represent majority opinion. For the past year it represented a tool to sow chaos and hurt Trump. Besides that, Biden is an idiot and obviously corrupt. Democrats are incorrigible gaslighters. The accusations they hurled at Trump these past 4 years for being a tool of a foreign power is far more true of them, particularly Biden's influence peddling with China and Ukraine.
Because he didn’t have to do any rally’s. He did not even matter at all, in fact, the democrat party could have run anyone and the result would have been the same. The election had zero to do with people loving Biden and everything to do with getting Trump out of office.
shareToo bad your theory couldn't be tested with Bernie Sanders, who got booted once again by the corrupt DNC when it became apparent (again) that he was their frontrunner. And what did the Democrats do after they successfully rigged their own primaries again? They installed as VP the least popular of their presidential candidates who couldn't even withstand a couple body blows from Tulsi Gabbard. What were Harris's qualifications? She's kinda sorta black. Black enough anyway. Republicans are extremely superficial as well, but the Democrats take the cake.
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