I actually don’t think one is worse than the other. Both raped numerous women. Cosby gave them drugs, which might give him the edge. But honestly, both perpetrators are despicable, vile, and criminal.
shareCosby
Harvey was just running the casting couch
Cosby but only because it went on longer and he tried to hide behind an innocent persona.
shareCosby is much worse. Frankly I still don't believe Harvey actually raped anyone in the real sense of the word rape. He used his power to coerce women into doing shit, but as had been noted by many women that rebuffed his advances he didn't hold them at gun point or give them a rufie. I think the two women that he was convicted of raping could have at any time said no and walked out on him... but they both thought that if the boinked the fat man he would make them a star and when it didn't happen they had buyers remorse and wanted to get the taste of Harvey out of their mouth.
shareI don't even think he coerced most of them. I think a lot of the time it was favours for roles. Cosby on the other hand seemed to enjoy the sadistic side of drugging them.
shareYes, he coerced them! It was his pattern. From Ronan Farrow’s book about Weinstein:
“On the screen in front of her, Gutierrez came to a folder labeled “Mama.” Inside were audio files titled Mama1, Mama2, and Mama3: the recordings she’d had to frantically start each time her phone issued a push alert about its dwindling battery life during the police sting. She passed me a pair of headphones, and I listened. It was all there: the promises of career advancement, the list of other actresses he had helped, the encounter with the officer Weinstein thought was a TMZ photographer. In the recording, Gutierrez’s panic was palpable. “I don’t want to,” she said, standing in the hallway outside his room, refusing to go farther as Weinstein’s tone turned menacing. “I want to leave,” she added. “I want to go downstairs.” At one point, she asked him why he had groped her breasts the day before.
“Oh, please, I’m sorry, just come on in,” Weinstein replied. “I’m used to that. Come on. Please.”
“You’re used to that?” Gutierrez asked, incredulous.
“Yes,” Weinstein said. He added, “I won’t do it again.”
After almost two minutes of back-and-forth in the hallway, he finally agreed to return to the bar.
Weinstein wheedled and menaced and bullied “and didn’t take no for an answer. But more than that, it was a smoking gun. It was inarguable. There he was, admitting not just to a crime but to a pattern. “I’m used to that.”
Excerpt From
Catch and Kill
Ronan Farrow
In that case sure and no doubt others. But were there women who happily exchanged roles for sex and later turned on him? Were there some who never turned on him but suffered a career lapse once he was arrested?
I'm not defending him or even saying he is a nice guy. I just don't think every single complaint was necessarily coercion by him.
Happily?
Are you sure you want to let that word stand?
Gross.
Some ambitious types out there.
shareYes, there are. But I still disagree with that word. I doubt any of them were happy about it. Willingly is a better fit. And for me, that’s meeting you more than half way because my word would be “begrudgingly.”
shareLet's not get hooked on semantics. Willing or Happy to, they were still consenting which is all you need to avoid the law. Begrudgingly? We aren't going to agree here, but when it comes to ambition some can be ruthless. Anyway, I feel like we are also saying the same thing here. All good.
shareAs far as rapist celebrities go, I think both are wayyyy outclassed by Jimmy Savile. And he never faced any kind of reckoning either. But I agree establishing hierarchies for these kinds of evildoers is a little obscene.
shareGood one.
But he was British and not as rich. So no action was taken.
But I find impossible to believe that most of the accusations happen decades after the fact. That his estate, historical accomplishments, and grave was compromised without trail or verdict. And like all similar type cases he is the sole responsible but society and his accomplices are immune. Speaks more about their surrounding society and culture than themselves.
"And like all similar type cases he is the sole responsible but society and his accomplices are immune. Speaks more about their surrounding society and culture than themselves."
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Spot on, I think. The old, comfortable trick of externalising evil and convincing oneself that all things happen in a vacuum.
I don’t care, I just chucked up a bit in my mouth when I saw this jabba looking motherfkr in Trending.
Bring back Beatrice.
I don’t think you can say one was worse than the other. They’re both vile, disgusting men. They both intended to continue their heinous criminal behavior years after being outed and lying to cover it up. They both felt so secure in their power, neither ever believed he would be held to account.
I’ve read both HW books (Ronan Farrow and Kantor/Twohey). They’re both pigs and deserved more jail time than they got.