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Is rampant sexual harrassment part of the reason for the film industry's decline?


Seriously! Because everyone who follows the film industry knows that the era of the movie star is over, that Hollywood is no longer finding and developing actors who become real box-office draws. There are actors who keep working, and then there are flash-in-the-pans who make a few films and then fizzle out after they have a flop or two, and Hollywood is making fewer and fewer movies.

Could it be because people like Harvey Weinstein are letting their wieners make casting decisions? That isn't a cost-effective long-term business strategy.

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Well, really the best stuff is being produced on cable TV/streaming...films have been targeted to teenage males for a long time now, relying on big budgets and non-demanding subject matter, so that might have driven attendance down, as well.

Harvey Weinstein actually produced some of the ONLY classy films being made in Hollywood lately, so I don't think he was a problem in regards to the product, anyway...
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I actually wonder if the culture of sexual harassment and everything associated with it is part of the reason that Hollywood has been pandering to young adult straight men the way they have been. The immature male perspective has been ruling the production, writing, and casting process, and the end result is that female and mature audiences have turned to TV, as have, it seems, all the people capable of real creativity and depth.

Look, I love a good lightweight superhero movie, but the film industry is very much out of balance. It's letting talent fall away and treating creative people like pieces of meat instead of artists. I don't have a lot if hope for real reform, but I hope that someone at the top realizes that the current culture isn't letting the real talent time to the top, and that's costing the company money.

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You're under the impression young women don't watch these films.

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They watch them...but partially because there aren't other offerings. It's long been established that a female on a date will capitulate much much quicker to what the guy wants to see, versus the other way around. That is why more money is spent in that direction, and why there's more of those films.

It doesn't mean Hollywood can't make movies tailored for teen boys...it just means it would be better for everyone if that weren't the central focus.
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No, you're still assuming that women don't really watch those movies.

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that's not the problem, there's a cultural problem across the board in all levels.

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Pretty sure the big shots always pulled this stuff
I think youre off here
And i think they still make plenty of good ones...plus theres always indies to look into

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There have certainly always been relationships between "the talent" and people who might help their careers, but it hasn't always been impossible to break into the entertainment industry on talent alone. Hollywood was founded on the basis of finding and developing talent, not on hiring the easiest lay (okay, nit JUST the easiest lay).

There's a rampant unprofessionalism at work here, people are not only letting their genitals make business decisions, they're letting their subordinates genitals make business decisions, and their subordinates'! How is that good for the bottom line? Sexual harassment doesn't just make life miserable for working people, it's a misuse of company trust and funds and gets people without talent promoted.

A culture where these things are tolerated us the opposite of a meritocracy, and Hollywood needs at least some meritocracy in it's culture to stay afloat.

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You raise interesting points and you may be right
I would add that society in general has become more sensitive to the victims of these ordeals so maybe more people are encouraged to say what happened to them...without fear of stigma, tainted reputation etc...
Twenty yrs ago it was commonplace to shame rape victims for their outfit or for being a single woman in the club after a certain hour...that bullshit doesnt fly anymore

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I don't think so - the casting couch has been rife in Hollywood for decades, anything that awful Weinstein has done is nothing new to the industry, its been much worse in years past.

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When has it been "much worse"?

I don't mean to be sarcastic, I've read enough about the history of film to be genuinely interested in your answer. Because I'd say it's absolutely worse now than during the studio era. Sure, the important moguls had their mistresses and Marilyn Monroe could say she didn't have to do any more nasties once she'd signed a studio contract, but there was also room for a Greta Garbo to refuse to play games or a Liz Taylor to play her own games and not those of the power players. Nowadays, there seems to be an acceptance of abuse at every level, and no respect for talent.

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The Studio era is what I was thinking of with people like Louis B. Mayer and Darryl F. Zanuck. Heres an article covering those two: http://nypost.com/2017/10/16/hollywoods-horror-stories-of-sex-predators-long-before-weinstein/.

So much from the past has been hushed up or forgotten.

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No........it´s because these multi millionaire actors and actresses force their political beliefs down the throats of everyone. And bash everyone that don't share their beliefs.....while hiding behind gated mansions.

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Yeah, Clint Eastwood and Arnold Schwarzenegger forcing their beliefs in everyone is getting old.

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The type of stuff that Weinstein was doing has always been there and has been going on for a long time as long as Hollywood without interruption and never saying stop, this first time it's become unacceptable.

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Actually, if you read up on the studio era, there was some quid pro quo sexual harassment going on, but it wasn't universal. It was possible for an actress to have a career without screwing her way to the top, because the studios understood then that actors were first and foremost a way to make money!

For every Marilyn Monroe or Joan Crawford that screwed her way through the studio to help her career, there was a Katherine Hepburn or Greta Garbo who did not. And that was okay with the studio, they were in business to make a profit and not to find girlfriends for their power players, unlike modern production companies. My original point was that the modern production companies who only cast those who will put out are missing out on a source of profit, which is dumb of them.

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True but the same can be said for today. There's harassment going on in today's era but it's far from universal. There's plenty of actresses that came up on their talent without exercising the casting couch.

I just have a hard time seeing how today's sexual harassment can in any way be linked to what you call the 'industry decline' when it's been around forever. Your point about the lack of development of movie stars is from studios, but I just don't see how that's related. It always comes down to money. In recent decades studios have learned they can make big bucks from big special effects franchises. Why pay 20 mil for a star when these films will be hits either way? The recent trend is for the franchise to make the star rather than the other way around. Jennifer Lawrence was nobody until Hunger Games made her the biggest female star in Hollywood.

Academic studies in recent decades have generally failed to find any conclusive evidence to support the pulling power of stars with the exception of comedy actors; a signal maybe that comedy box office stars reliably deliver to their audience.

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In a world where the drawing power of actor is indeed declining, you'd think a highly paid movie studio executive could come up with a more intelligent and financially rewsrding response than "Well then, I'll just cast whoever will blow me".

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Wait, where are you getting there are casting couch requirements for actresses in lead roles for box office franchises? I've seen no evidence that Jennifer Lawrence ever had to make use of the casting couch and slept her way up, have you?

I think the casting couch is more deployed with actresses on the margins who are more desperate and easier for studios to subjugate. It was just Weinstein and a few others that had steel balls enough to try to regularly hump and rape their stars.

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If you hear stories about Weinstein you might think "Don't go" as Courtney Love said.

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