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Smokin joe...two heavies on the short side who can crack, don’t think it would go the distance, someone getting blown out by rd 6....
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Mohammed Ali or Bruce Lee in their prime.
shareMohammed Ali, that could be. Bruce Lee, no way. If you want some classic martial artist, Inuki would be a better choice. Inuki sent Ali to the hospital, being Ali in his prime.
shareI was told by quite a few people that Ali would've won over Tyson since Ali was more disciplined and knew how to move well. Tyson had strength but no real form like Ali.
Ali wasn't in his prime with Inoki. He boxed too long and should have retired younger. He was struggling around that time. Really sad. It sounds like that Inoki match could've been semi-fake anyway.
Inoki vs Bruce Lee? My money is on Lee. Prof. wrestling is fake. Lee was also a street fighter - not just in a ring and he studied several different martial arts. Ali won a fight using a punch that was developed by Lee who was also a boxer.
Lee and Ali. Both icons.
Tyson had no real form....Wut??? Tyson is a legend *because* he mastered Cus D'Amato's PeekABoo style. Plenty of nobodies out there that can hit hard. Mke Tyson could weave past just about any defense and then land a crushing punch from any of a number crazy angles. Tyson in his prime was the most fearsome heavyweight ever.
I'd say Tyson in his prime was fearsome, but he also handpicked his opponents. He was afraid to fight Foreman, and rightfully so, and he dodged Holyfield for as long as he could. For as quick and strong as Tyson was, he wasn't able to take a punch.
shareIn Tyson's prime, Holyfield fought as a cruiserweight and Foreman was just making his comeback and wasn't a serious contender. Also, Ali warned Foreman not to fight Tyson. If they did fight, it probably would have gone along the lines of Tyson v. Larry Holmes. In the 80s, Tyson soundly beat everyone worth beating. After the drugs got a hold of him and he was falsely convicted (yes, I think he is innocent) he was never really the same. Still world class, but not the same.
"Mike Tyson could weave past just about any defense and then land a crushing punch from any of a number crazy angles."
But Ali could take major punishment and keep fighting.
I found a very detailed and interesting analysis re: the differences between Tyson and Ali and why Ali would be the winner.
"Muhammad Ali’s style was the exact style that gave Mike Tyson major trouble. He was tall, his reach was long and he kept fighters at bay with a mix of quick powerful shots. Tyson never defeated a fighter of this style who wasn’t afraid of him.
In order for Tyson to beat Ali he’d have to take him down and take him down quick. Some of the best boxers in American history couldn’t do it and Tyson wouldn’t do it either.
This fight would be hard fought for the first few rounds. In round five or six Ali would begin to outclass and frustrate Mike Tyson. Tyson was known to get anxious (as he was known to do) in those middle rounds and take big risks with punches. He’d connect with just enough shots to open himself up for major punishment.
By round 10, Tyson would be clearly outclassed and looking for a way out. He’d get it in the form of a unanimous decision for Ali."
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/582929-mike-tyson-versus-muhammad-alian-in-depth-analysis-of-who-would-really-win
"Muhammad Ali’s style was the exact style that gave Mike Tyson major trouble. He was tall, his reach was long and he kept fighters at bay with a mix of quick powerful shots. Tyson never defeated a fighter of this style who wasn’t afraid of him.
I disagree. Ali was tall, but not big. Ali has approximately the same dimensions as Michael Spinks and Spinks was KOed in the first round by Tyson. Of everyone Ali fought, Joe Frazier probably compares best to Tyson (relentless, always attacking and hits with power), and Frazier beat Ali when both were in their prime. Frazier landed a lot of punches in that fight. Keep in mind that Tyson in his prime had better head movement than Frazier and even more punching power. So, he would take less punishment coming in and would dish out more. I think Tyson in his prime knocks Ali out.
What I wonder is how Tyson, even in his prime, would do in the modern heavyweight division, where fighters are so damn big. Lennox Lewis, VItali Klitschiko, Wladimier Klitschko and Tyson Fury were all frigging giants. I just don't know. Tyson in 2019 may have to drop down to a lower weight division.
Ali beat Frazier 2x. He had staying power. He fought with a broken jaw and won a couple of fights after being knocked down - never knocked out. Tyson may knock Ali down, but not out. Ali had stamina which Tyson admitted he didn't have so Ali could've outlasted him, and after tiring him him out, pummel him.
"Tyson relied on fear, but he struggled openly when boxers did not fear him."
Ali had no fear and was legendary for psyching out other boxers. Tyson would've been a blubbering mess after Ali got through with him.
Unfortunately, it's a fight we'll never get to see.
"modern heavyweight division"
Size over substance? Do these boxers win because they're large or because they're great boxers? That's a major difference in my book.
Inoki would have crushed Lee.
Martial artists back then just weren't prepared to face grappling. To Lee's credit, he was perhaps the first one to integrate grappling in a 'standard' martial arts school.
I don't know about Ali vs. Tyson. I certainly think Ali would have gone in with a great plan, and it isn't inconceivable that he could beat Tyson, but I wonder if Ali had the power to hurt Tyson before Tyson overpowered him. We know that Tyson's weakness was his chin-- boxers who could withstand his barrage and hit him hard were able to knock him out. Ali had great defense, but could be knocked out, and I think Tyson may have been quick enough to get past Ali's guard, and strong enough to knock him out.
If I were to choose a fighter from the past to pit against Tyson, I'd start with Marciano. He had perhaps the strongest punch in the history of heavyweight boxing, and a chin to match. I think he could have withstood anything Tyson threw at him, and fired back with enough power to flatten Tyson.
Bruce Lee practiced his own art, Jeet Kune Do, which includes backhanded amashes and grappling and sense-spotting that are illegal in American boxing. Ali would have destroyed this chump within the rules.
Bruce Lee would have just killed this “She shoulda known I was gonna rape her fine ass” asshole without a second thought. One lightening head spin, broken neck, dead.
Bruce Lee originally studied several forms of fighting including Wing Chun Kung Fu, fencing, boxing, Karate, Judo, Jujitsu, etc.
Ali and Lee would've been in different weight classes in boxing. I tend to believe a martial artist can beat a boxer in a real street fight.
Lee would need to defeat several thugs for it to be a slight challenge for him.
A CAR.
shareWho cares? Mythical matchups are retarded and discussed by people with too much time on their hands.
Guy was a one dimensional, overrated brawler. His fights against Douglas, Holyfield and Lewis show what happens when he fights someone that can box his ears off rather than comes forward and plays his game.
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Floyd money or Tyson fury
shareTony the Tiger.
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