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Nicholson vs Ledger vs Leto


Who do you think had the best Joker?

IMO, Leto got shafted by the edit room, I think his take on the character felt incomplete from what we've seen, or maybe he wasn't that good.

It comes down to Nicholson vs Ledger.

Both are about equal in greatness, but Ledger did more unexpected things, and the writing of the charater in the movie helped him immensely.

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It really is hard to beat Ledger. It's not only the best Joker but one of the best performances of all time due to the fact how committed he was psychologically to the role and how he disappeared into the character. Nicholson was very convincing as the joker and also put a lot of effort into his performance but I guess Ledger packed more of a punch than Nicholson. It was like he wasn't even human, and I can understand how anyone would feel creeped out just by being near him. Nicholson's joker was in a totally different universe to Nolan's Batman too, and I guess I just prefer the darker more serious tone. As for Leto, he had potential to be great, but unfortunately I think he was too good for the movie he was in. It was a total waste of talent and we'll never know how good he could have been. But from what we saw I think had he have taken Ledger's role, he also would have blown everyone away

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Nicholson! All the way, he's amazing! One of the best actors of our time!

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How are they equal in greatness?! ?

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How are they not?

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In that Nicholson’s clown act, with a heavy dose of self-indulgent and self-satisfied ham, ruined the movie, while Ledger’s selfless performance made the movie. Other than that, no big difference.

No (*snicker*hell-rumble-chuckle*) difference at all.

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Leto sucked. His behavior on the set sending used condoms to cast members was unprofessional. He wouldn't have blown anyone away if he had taken Ledger's role. Leto doesn't have the creative talent to do that. If he was capable of delivering a performance close to Ledger he would have gotten the part.

Leto isn't talented.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hRdu_jNoco&t=47s

Creepy.

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― Mark Twain

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I have to agree he sucked at the role. Didn't know about the used condom thing, yuck.

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Nicholson sucked. All he did was play Jack. I mean it's a REALLY old discussion as to which one was better, but to me it's not even close.

Nicholson played Joker as if he was a cool type of crime boss, not as a sociopathic madman. To me it's inconceivable that anyone can prefer Nicholson. People argue that his look and origin are closer to the comics, btu that has nothing to do with acting performances...and besides, Joker's origin and looks have changed a million times over the years.

There are little things that gave Ledger the clear advantage over Nicholson. Nicholson didn't have the subtitles that Ledger did. Here's a few examples:

-In the party scene Ledger throws out a drink and then tries to drink from the glass anyway.
-Ledger's tongue tick which is a side effect of psychiatric medication. This was all Ledger, not direction or the script. This was a VERY subtle nod that Joker was in a mental hospital.
-Ledger's reaction to the explosion of the hospital. Completely improvised.
-Also during the party scene Ledger fixes his hair before talking to Rachel as if to "spruce" himself up.

Nicholson's performance has no subtly at all, instead his Joker is what you see is what you get.


Also I think that you will soon realize this is my signature.

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Nicholson didn't have the subtitles that Ledger did.


That's because they had different lines.

Both actors had both dubbed and subtitled foreign prints.

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The poster obviously meant subtleties.

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Yes, subtleties.

I guess I was not subtle enough, or more likely posting late at nigh and half asleep.

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I think Ledger is totally overrated. The best performance in that Batman is Aaron Echart as two face.

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