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I'm a fan.
shareYou have my full respect. Nowadays I find it so rare to see positivity towards the guy on the internet.
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I haven't paid much attention to him. But I was a huge fan of Eminem in the early-mid 2000s.
shareUnderstandable. I don't care for any of his work past Marshall Mathers LP 2 but the early 2000s was definitely a major peak. I just think albums like Recovery and Marshall Mathers LP 2 get overlooked and are also fantastic albums as well.
shareI can't fathom how anyone can listen to that garbage.
shareHave you not listened to albums like The Eminem Show and Marshall Mathers LP?
If he is garbage then why was he the best selling artist of the 2000s? Artist, not rapper. Went diamond I believe 3 or 4 times. Became the first and only rapper to win an Oscar. Got nominated for almost 40 Grammys, some including best album & best record, and won 14. Had the best selling album worldwide in 2002 and 2010. Should I keep going on?
Best selling, etc., etc., etc., doesn't mean good. The masses love McDonald's and it's garbage too.
shareYour comparing an artist to a fast food chain. How will that provide a smart analogy? Ok the amount of records sold doesn't always mean great quality but when it comes to music, it kind of does. The reason why he sold so much is that people all around the world love his music. Eminem being the best selling artist of a decade says a lot. Artists like Elvis, The Beatles, Michael Jackson, Pink Floyd, etc have all been the best selling artist of their decade. The fact that Eminem is also one of them says a lot and those artists are legends in the music industry.
shareIt's an analogy about quality vs. mass appeal. It's perfectly fitting. Take music and food and substitute them for something else. It works regardless of the medium.
You kind of made my argument for me:
The reason why he sold so much is that people all around the world love his music.
Now substitute Eminem with McDonald's: The reason McDonald's sells so much is that people all around the world love their food."
Of course quality can be subjective and in my case, Eminem and McDonald's are both complete garbage. I'm sure there are things that I love, that you think are garbage. share
Well obviously McDonald's is a popular fast food chain that people love to eat. Health wise it's obviously not good for you but people still eat that stuff because of the taste or whatever.
When it comes to music it's a completely different scenario. People buy Eminem's records because they enjoy listening to it because it's great music. They don't buy or stream his music because they know deep down its garbage. People know McDonald's isn't good for you but still eat it because like I said of the taste of the food. That's why they buy it. That's two different aspects when it comes to McDonald's popularity. The food is tasty to most people but they are aware it's not good for you. When it comes to Eminem, people buy his music because they think his music is great. That's it. It's nothing like your analogy with McDonald's.
To justify my point in regards to Eminem, regardless of what he sells, he's still an acclaimed artist who has won many awards which doesn't have to do with sales at all. It's about pure quality.
When it comes to Eminem, people buy his music because they THINK his music is great.
Again, you made my point for me. And again, I (and millions of others) THINK his music (and also don't consider it music) is garbage. share
I always use THNIK because it's all subjective. Its not a fact that Eminem or McDonald's is great or trash. It's based on opinion and a majority of the consensus agree that Eminems music is amazing but they don't believe deep down that it's so called garbage when they enjoy his music like how it is with McDonald's. That's not how you critique music. If you like Eminem, then you like him period without having another thought that his music is bad. If you like McDonald's you also have another thought that even if you enjoy their food, it's not good for you in general. Therefore it is two perspectives when it comes to your likings of a certain food and one for liking a certain artist. Eminem and McDonald's aren't comparable. Who wouldve thought it made sense to compare food to an artist.
Plus you cant even justify on also why he's won many awards and such. You just keep harkening back to McDonald's.
McDonald's is the perfect analogy. A lot of people like garbage. It's really not complicated.
shareHow about comparing Eminems sales to something similar to his league like Elvis, or Michael Jackson who are successfully praised high selling artists like Eminem. What now? Are you gonna tell me Michael Jackson and Elvis are trash too??
shareI don't care about his sales. I can't stand his stuff. For the record, I hate the Beatles, Michael Jackson and Elvis, too but not as much.
shareWell then that clears up everything. You just happen to not enjoy music by legendary artists and I have never heard someone say they hate Michael Jackson.
shareDo you enjoy music by EVERY "legendary artist"? No you don't. I get it that you're defending someone that you like but the fact is, your tastes aren't universal and neither are mine and that's okay. Do you honestly think that because you've never heard anyone say that they hate Michael Jackson, no one does?
shareYes you are completely right. Music is subjective and everyone is entitled to their opinion. People may not like the things that I like and that's fine but I'm not just going to go around saying certain things are trash just because I happen to not be fan while also knowning that a particular artist is regarded as one of the greatests. I'm not a fan of Celine Dion but I'm aware of her success and that there are many who love her music but I'm not going around saying that she is trash just because I happen to not be a fan. So to answer your question, no I don't like every legendary artist but I like a majority of them and that the ones I don't like, I still have respect for because I know about how much of an impact they had on music.
In regards to MJ, no its not because I never heard of anyone who doesn't like him doesn't mean I think everyone likes him. I just never heard someone actually say they don't like him in general but I know not everyone is a fan.