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Two Big Reasons Why White Liberals WON'T Come to Chris Rock's Defence


This SNL sketch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHG0ezLiVGc

I mean, how dare Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle make fun of white upper-middle-class liberals, right? How dare these Black men suggest that trans-atlantic slavery was worse than Trump's election victory, as far as the history of America goes! After all, what do Black men know about racism right? Who even listens to them anymore?

And the time he said this about Hollywood: "You’re damn right Hollywood’s racist, but not the racist that you’ve grown accustomed to. Hollywood is sorority racist. It’s like, ‘We like you, Rhonda, but you’re not a Kappa.’ That’s how Hollywood is."

White liberals and Black establishment Democrats (many of whom are women) HATE that Chris Rock speaks the TRUTH about 'liberal' racism. They hate that he dares to blow the lid off their strongly-guarded MYTH that 'only' white Republicans are racist, and not rich, college-educated and/or elite/professional liberal whites who dominate Hollywood, the media, academia, the DNC and other 'polite' and supposedly 'woke' institutions and professions.

Thankfully, a lot of Black men are starting to recognise this nonsense, and have realised that they've been played, not only by the usual 'redneck' MAGA-flag-waving suspects, but by the upper-class and privileged elites (and, no, before anyone accuses me of 'anti-Semitism', I don't regard 'elites' as a synonym for 'Jewish'; *some* of the people I refer to may be Jewish, but MOST are white gentiles of various white ethnicities, including Anglo - most of the big 'liberal' movie stars and musicians, and even writers, columnists and broadcasters, are white *gentiles*).

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It's funny because it's true.

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There is no room for liberal bashing in Hollywood, socialist ashkenazi owned media or in America as a whole in 2023!

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Many non-Jews are socialist and liberal. Many Jews are conservative and capitalist.

Even as a leftist, I have no problem having a rational conversation that criticises liberals as an entity, but the moment you bring in racist/anti-Semitic and other ethno-nationalist bullshit, you've lost ALL credibility and respect.

Many of the white libs Chris Rock was referring to are no doubt white gentiles (I could give you a list if you like, but for example, there's Chris Evans, Mark Ruffalo, Rian Johnson, Kathleen Kennedy, Jane Fonda, Ben Affleck, to name but a few). The moment you start bringing ethnicity into this, you make it so much harder to castigate these people.

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...but the moment you bring in racist/anti-Semitic and other ethno-nationalist bullshit, you've lost ALL credibility and respect.


Exactly.

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You friggin' dufus ... White Liberals have nothing to do with this. I'm a white Liberal ... Progressive, and from the start I was disgusted at the reaction of the Hollywood scumbags who sided with Will Smith and did nothing. They should have strongarmed him out to the sidewalk and tossed him headlong into a police car.

And, I was really annoyed at Chris Rock doing f-all about the whole thing. He should have sued Will Smith for every penny he had and left him so broke he could not afford a wig for this ugly wife.

Why is there constant moronic posts like this blaming everything under the sun on Liberals when everyone knows things really started going sideways when Republicans cheated themselves into power?

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Maybe I'm more liberal than *you* seeing that I have *some* sympathy for Will Smith, and I certainly don't think he should have been strongarmed to the sidewalk, nor am I willing to call his wife 'ugly'.

Look, I despise the GOP with a passion, but I'm not going to give white libs a pass for their hypocrisy just cos I despise the GOP *more*. It would be akin to saying "Yeah, Stalin was an okay dude, cos he helped us defeat Hitler." No, the enemy of one's enemy, can still be one's enemy, so to speak.

Maybe I'm being unfair in saying 'white liberals' seeing as I am one. Maybe I should say 'white liberal elites' or the 'white liberal establishment' (i.e. rich and powerful people in the media and entertainment sectors - and just to be clear, in case any anti-Semites get the wrong idea, I don't mean 'Jews' when I speak of 'elites'; some of them may be Jewish, but they are not defined by Judaism, and a large number, likely the majority, are white gentiles).

But the truth is, with his jokes at Jada's expense, and his questioning of Harry & Meghan's narrative, as well as his history of making jokes at well-to-do white liberals' expense, Chris Rock has probably not endeared himself to certain groups of people (although I suspect a lot of working and middle-class left-of-centre, but non-militant, Black and white men *do* sympathise with where he's coming from).

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No, you should leave Liberal out of it.
If anything those who supported Will Smith were on the Right wide of the fence as it comes down as a right of rich people to abuse whomever they choose to.

If you have to explain who it is you mean to be talking about as in some kind of code, maybe you don't know what it is you are trying to say and are more concerned about who is it you are trying to impress or piss-off with your comment.

A joke is a joke, an insult is an insult - the two are different things. I can't think of an insult I've heard Chris Rock say. I don't really follow comedians though.

If I was assaulted in public, in front of the world, and could not do anything about it right then at the moment, you bet I'd take legal action, and Chris Rock was an absolute idiot to do nothing. I just wonder how he got to the decision.

And anyone who ever hires Will Smith or works with him again is on my shit list.

On the mere hint of a scandal people are going on 30 years later about Mia Farrow's scandalous accusations ( false ) about Woody Allen, but somehow Will Smith's crime is just dismissed. The guy belongs in jail.

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As you know, I am a Woody Allen fan and on balance a defender, but the allegation made against him (child abuse) is FAR worse than anything Will Smith did.

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That's the point - it's a false allegation compared with something real, proven and with 100 million witnesses on film.

How would I know you are a Woody Allen fan?

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I thought we'd discussed it on the Woody Allen board, or maybe I'm misremembering.

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Could be. I can't remember all of my now, 5121 comments. I just recall some, woman I believe it was, posting over and over how evil Woody was.

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Well, suffice to say, that wasn't me, but I think I've got an idea of the poster you mean.

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You have no idea what you are talking about. No one on the right supported Will Smith. 95% of the people at the Oscar ceremony that were clapping when Smith accepted his award are liberal. Just because you want something to be true because it fits into your narrow minded attitude does not make it a fact.

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You think from decades of not thinking and just accepting your Right-wing programming that Hollywood is Liberal. Well they are not. High level Hollywood Stars now make the kind of money that oligarchs make, multi-millions per movie, and as many movies as they can manage.

Even Bill Maher who used to pay lip service to the Left, ultimately when it comes down to it crumbles when he has to pay taxes. He is so lazy, like you guys on the Right he doesn't bother to fact check because he just cares about the tax issue and the philiophy that if he can make it anyone can, but since he did he's superior and shouldn't have to pay taxes.

Hollywood is not liberal, and the big stars hate the media and being made fun of, and Will Smith thought he would be applauded for kicking back and being what he wanted to seem like a routine humiliation and like Trump strike a blow for ultra-rich.

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Just because someone is rich does not make them conservative or republican. Name me 5 well known actors, directors, writers, or producers and I will triple that number with liberals.

Who cares about Bill Maher. He is a smug condescending jerk. If he heard you say he is not on the left he would laugh at you and call you stupid (I would agree with him on this count).

Nice to know you just make stuff up with no information to back it up. You probably think “if I think it’s true it probably is.” Hollywood is deninetly liberal to say otherwise just shows how facts mean nothing to you. Also, the only one who showed any kind of sympathy for Will Smith (himself a democrat) was Bradley Cooper (a democrat) and Denzel Washington (a democrat). No of the people you mentioned liked Trump or were thinking about him.

Do you have a valid argument against this or are you just going to make some more crap up?

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> Just because someone is rich does not make them conservative or republican

I never said that, but most important activist policy Conservatives are mega-rich.

> Who cares about Bill Maher. He is a smug condescending jerk.

I care because he has an important TV show that has gone on for 2 decades.

That you attack that makes you the condescending jerk. Listen to your BS attitude like you can arbitrate the truth.

The only thing you do to defend yourself is be saracastic, call people liars and demand that people accept your lies as truth.

Later jerk.

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Just like I thought, you have no proof. Don’t make up or pretend to have facts, because someone will call you out on them and you be left humiliated with no credibility.

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Why are you speaking on these things like this if you're British?

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Because US culture is very dominant in the UK, and a lot of the rest of the world.

Maybe you guys are a victim of your own success, but you can't expect to make so much money from us/have so much cultural influence, without the rest of us having an opinion.

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This isn't US culture. It's just media stuff. Yet you're speaking as if from a perspective of American culture.

That's why I asked "...speaking on these things LIKE THIS..." It doesn't sound like you're discussing something that happens to occur in USA. It sounds like you're pretending to be American, but the perspective makes no sense. It wouldn't enter any American's mind to make this claim about (US) White liberals. It could validly enter a non-American's mind to ASK about it, but you're not asking.

It's also puzzling, incidentally, why you would have one sentence like this...

"Yeah, Stalin was an okay dude, cos he helped us defeat Hitler."

...and another like this...

nor am I willing to call his wife 'ugly'.

Why such confusion about the difference between USA and UK?

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Can you explain what the disconnect between those two quoted sentences are?

And, yes, I am not American. I've been honest about that from the start. I've never pretended to be American, but I can still be fairly engaged in US culture and politics, considering how pervasive your films, TV shows, music and overall media is. And how dominant US-based topics are on this particular site.

Also, bear in mind that the Stalin line was ironic, hence the quotation marks (hopefully, you don't think I was genuinely endorsing Stalin), so it shouldn't be too strange that I used a different vernacular to my own usual speech in that instance.

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Can you explain what the disconnect between those two quoted sentences are?


The first has double quotes and period (full stop) inside the quotes.

The second has single quotes and period outside.

One is American, the other is British. You've done it it so meticulously that it appears deliberate and not haphazard. That's psychopathic.

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The first line about Stalin used double quotation marks because I was doing a specific parody of a hypothetical speech. I only used single quotation marks for 'ugly' because I wasn't referring to a specific speech, hypothetical or real, but simply highlighting that the use of the word 'ugly' was not my own and/or was a questionable contention in this instance (not that I'd ever be inclined to call anyone 'ugly', far less a woman).

I don't see how that's 'psychopathic' (there are those single quotation marks again).

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You're lying again, and using hundreds of words to spin the lie. That's the psycho part.

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...Come to Chris Rock's Defence


He doesn't need defending

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Hah, not anymore anyway! ;-)
He could have used a helmet and some brass knuckles or a piece at the time.

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"White liberals and Black establishment Democrats (many of whom are women) HATE that Chris Rock speaks the TRUTH about 'liberal' racism."

Ya know, I see this claim about liberal racism but mostly from the right wingers.
Probably because they are in denial about their own racism and refuse to acknowledge that it is their side that does the criminal acts of murders against blacks in hate crimes.
Gee, they must be really comfortable with their heads shoved up their own arses like that!

They never back it up with any proof or examples though.
Right wing Repub. racism is a hell of a lot more obvious in the racism blame game.
So what specific examples of instances do you have to show left wing racism?
I am not trying to argue with you.
I really want to know where it is.

And if H.Wood really is racist as Rock claims and you agree, then how would you explain where they are reversing the races, going from white to black, in many of their movies and the Oscars demanding that any movie nominated now has to have more diversity in the cast.

This is what I mean where the alleged lib. racists are not as obvious.
As far as I can tell between Cons and Libs, it is the Libs that fight the hardest against it.
Even putting their lives on the line and getting killed over it.

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Many Black people, besides Chris Rock, have complained about mistreatment within Hollywood. All industries tend to have issues with racism, although, I won't deny that post-BLM, things have started to change (bear in mind that Rock made his charges about Hollywood 'sorority racism' a few years before the killing of George Floyd/BLM really took off).

And I certainly didn't say that liberals were *worse* than more egregious right-wing racists, but they can be more hypocritical about it, and since many sectors are now controlled by seemingly reasonable, professional, polite people who *say* the right thing, it's quite clear to me that it's not *just* some right-wing yokel operating a three-man garage in Alabama who is holding back Black people. It's the heads of media companies, film production companies, colleges, big technology companies, pharmaceutical companies, law firms, and so on (i.e. people who often identify as 'Democrats', or at least say the 'correct' things in public). If it were *just* MAGA-cap wearing, Confederate-flag waving nobodies who were the racists, you might still see acts of physical violence against Black people, but you wouldn't see Black people *still* being held back systemically when it comes to jobs, careers, academia, and the law.

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Which libs and blacks are being killed by the right?

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Recently:

James Byrd Jr.

https://www.texastribune.org/2019/04/24/texas-execution-john-william-king-james-byrd/

Ahmaud Arbery

https://www.nytimes.com/article/ahmaud-arbery-shooting-georgia.html

Heather Heyer

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/james-alex-fields-found-guilty-killing-heather-heyer-during-violent-n945186

And so many others as those who were murdered by the KKK.

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Do we know the politics of James Byrd’s killers, killed more than 25 years ago? Any evidence they were right wing?

What are the politics of Arbery’s killers?

KKK founded by the Democrat party? That KKK? You’re really reaching … back a century.

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"Do we know the politics of James Byrd’s killers, killed more than 25 years ago? Any evidence they were right wing?"

From info gathered on one of them named King before he was to be executed:

“During his first stint in prison (which ended about a year before Byrd was killed), King was the ‘exalted cyclops’ of the Confederate Knights of America (CKA), a white-supremacist gang,” an appeals court wrote in 2018. “King’s drawings displayed scenes of racial lynching. Several witnesses testified that King would not go to a black person’s house and would leave a party if a black person showed up.” They also drew attention to his tattoos, which included a Confederate flag, Nazi “SS” lightning bolts, a cartoon in a Ku Klux Klan robe, “KKK,” a swastika, “Aryan Pride” and a depiction of a black man hanging from a tree by a noose.
King also had spoken of starting a race war while in prison, “and about initiating new members to his cause by having them kidnap and murder black people,” the appeals court wrote.

(Between the other two, one of them was also a white supremacist while the other was not.
Does not mean he was not right wing though. Most likely he would be since he was friends with the conservative murderers.)

The two other defendants in the case, Brewer and Berry, were tried later. Brewer was convicted of capital murder and was executed in 2011. Berry, the last to be tried, was sentenced to life in prison; prosecutors said he joined the murder for the thrill but did not share Brewer’s and King’s white supremacist beliefs.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2019/04/24/james-byrds-murderer-will-soon-be-executed-will-it-bring-closure-after-his-horrific-hate-crime/

Like it is going to be liberals who are going to be committing these racist hate crimes and murder?

The democratic party at that time was the right wing or the conservative side of things.
In complex moves in the 60's during the civil rights discussions is when the parties switched values.

If you want to keep up your, "Dems started KKK," argument it does not apply to the murders they did after Republicans/right wingers kept them going with new members.

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Alright. Good to know that you found a couple of white supremacists 25 years ago who had done prison time prior to killing a black ex con.

And also there was the KKK founded by Democrats that have been a non issue for at least half a century.

I’m not sure you’re not reaching.

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Glad to see you accept the answers you were seeking and that you agree.

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I agree there was significantly more racism from whites towards blacks more than a quarter century ago.

I don’t think many historians would disagree.

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You really riled up the natives with this post!!!

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